A Treason for Hope (The Mueller Investigation Part 107)

Link to previous thread for reference:

Previous Thread Titles for Reference:

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation (10/27/17)

First Charges Filed in Mueller Investigation, Part Two (10/28/17)

The Four Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 3 (10/31/17)

A Man For All Treasons: Mueller Investigation, Part 4 (11/5/17)

It's Beginning to Look a lot like Treason! The Mueller Investigation Part 5 (12/4/17)

Treason Is The Reason For The Season! The Mueller Investigation Part 6 (12/16/17)

Treason to Believe (The Mueller Investigation Part 7) (12/26/17)

I Love You For Sentimental Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 8) (1/3/18)

Give Me One Treason To Stay Here... (The Mueller Investigation Part 9) (1/15/18)

Treasons of Love (The Mueller Investigation Part 10) (1/24/18)

For Treasons Which Are Well Known To Them (The Mueller Investigation Part 11) (1/30/18)

Come on and Treason Down, Treason Down the Road (The Mueller Investigation Part 12) (2/6/18)

13 Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 13) (2/18/18)

By Treason of Insanity (The Mueller Investigation Part 14) (2/23/18)

The Edge of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 15) (2/28/18)

A Treason to Live; A Treason to Die (The Mueller Investigation Part 16)…(3/10/18)

Treasons of the Heart (The Mueller Investigation Part 17) (3/17/18)

A Stormy Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 18) (3/21/18)

Lovin', Touchin', Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 19) (3/26/18)

Everything Happens for a Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 20) (4/4/18)

For All the Right Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 21) (4/11/18)

Treasons Change (The Mueller Investigation Part 22) (4/16/18)

Dangerous Tre'asons (The Mueller Investigation Part 23) (4/22/18)

Don't Stop (the) Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 24) (5/1/18)

Got This Treason in My Body (The Mueller Investigation Part 25) (5/7/18)

I'm Treason on a Jet Plane... (The Mueller Investigation Part 26) (5/14/18)

Treasonnaires' Disease (The Mueller Investigation Part 27) (5/21/18)

You've Lost That Lovin' Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 28) (6/2/18)

Multiple Treasons Why (The Mueller Investigation Part 29) (6/9/18)

For Undisclosed Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 30) (6/18/18)

The Apple Doesn't Fall Far from the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 31) (06/23/18)

Treason d'être (The Mueller Investigation Part 32) (06/30/18)

My Treasons Are Not My Own (The Mueller Investigation Part 33) (07/08/18)

The Treasons a Baby Cries (The Mueller Investigation Part 34) (07/13/19)

Get to Know Your Family Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 35) (07/15/18)

All You Got To Do is Hold Him And Kiss Him and Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 36) (07/17/18)

Fall or Spring? Which Would / Wouldn't Be Your Favorite Treason? (The Mueller Investigation Part 37) (07/18/18)

It's the Time of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 38) (07/21/18)

My Treasonal Summer Job Abroad (The Mueller Investigation Part 39) (07/25/18)

Yellow is the Color of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 40) (07/27/18)

The Treason for my Life's Trials and Tribulations (The Mueller Investigation Part 41) (07/31/18)

Hunting Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 42) (08/04/18)

It's Swimsuit Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 43) (08/07/18)

Treasonably Priced (The Mueller Investigation Part 44) (08/12/18)

Tre45onal Affective Disorder (The Mueller Investigation Part 45) (08/16/18)

A Plea for Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 46 (08/21/18)

Untreasonably Hot (The Mueller Investigation Part 47) (08/22/18)

There is a Treason... Turn, Turn, Turn (The Mueller Investigation Part 48) (08/24/18)

The Voice of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 49) (08/28/18)

The Golden Age of Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 50) (09/03/18)

Treasons for Remaining Anonymous (The Mueller Investigation Part 51) (09/08/18)

Hurricane Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 52) (09/16/18)

All Natural Mushroom Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 53) (09/22/18)

Treasoning with an Alcoholic (The Mueller Investigation Part 54) (09/28/18)

Judicial Treasoning (The Mueller Investigation Part 55) (10/06/18)

Treasons for Hidden Genius (The Mueller Investigation Part 56) (10/15/18)

Trick or Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 57) (10/25/18)

Several Treasons to Get Out and Vote in the Midterms (The Mueller Investigation Part 58) (11/5/18)

Heading Back to the Magical Keebler Elf Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 59) (11/11/18)

It's Turkey Picking Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 60) (November 18, 2018)

Stepping into the Holiday Treason! (The Mueller Investigation Part 61) (November 26, 2018)

Treason's Greetings! (The Mueller Investigation Part 62) (November 29, 2018)

Spirit of the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 63) (December 3, 2018)

'Tis the Treason to be Jolly (The Mueller Investigation Part 64) (December 5, 2018)

Celebrate this Holiday Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 65) (December 8, 2018)

Treasons to Get out of Solitary (The Mueller Investigation Part 66) (December 10, 2018)

Numerous Treasons For Silence (The Mueller Investigation Part 67) December 12, 2018)

Treasons We Celebrate This Season (The Mueller Investigation Part 68) (December 15, 2018)

Trimming the Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 69) (December 19, 2018)

O Christmas Treason, O Christmas Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 70) (December 22, 2018)

Treasons We'll Be Ringing in the New Year (The Mueller Investigation Part 71) (December 27, 2018)

Treasons I'm Coming For You (The Mueller Investigation Part 72) (January 3, 2019)

A Shutdown is Perfectly Treasonable (The Mueller Investigation Part 73) (January 6, 2019)

Treasons I'm Focused (The Mueller Investigation Part 74) (January 10, 2019)

Treasons We Need A Wall (The Mueller Investigation Part 75) (January 13, 2019)

Mid-Treason Replacement (The Mueller Investigation Part 76) (January 15, 2019)

A Treasonable Request (The Mueller Investigation Part 77) (January 19, 2019)

Treasons to Postpone (The Mueller Investigation Part 78) (January 23, 2019)

Swinging from the Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 79) (January 26, 2019)

Sweating Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 80) (January 30, 2019)

I'll Be Your Girl For All Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 81) (February 4, 2019)

House Cleaning Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 82) (February 9, 2019)

For Emergency Treasons (The Mueller Investigation Part 83) (February 15, 2019)

Treasons I Speak (The Mueller Investigation Part 84) (February 19, 2019)

Treasonable Preparations (The Mueller Investigation Part 85) (February 23, 2019)

Treasons for Redemption (The Mueller Investigation Part 86) (March 1, 2019)

Treasons to Watch (The Mueller Investigation Part 87) (March 7, 2019)

A Treasonable Amount of Time (The Mueller Investigation Part 88) (March 11, 2019)

Treasons I Have Veto Power (The Mueller Investigation Part 89) (March 18, 2019)

Treasons I've Submitted My Report (The Mueller Investigation Part 90) (March 22, 2019)

Treasons to Continue On (The Mueller Investigation Part 91) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons For a Barr Cover (The Mueller Investigation Part 92) (March 24, 2019)

Treasons to Protect Our Assets (The Mueller Investigation Part 93) (March 26, 2019)

Treasonable Interference (The Mueller Investigation Part 94) (March 31, 2019)

Tax Treason (The Mueller Investigation Part 95) (April 6, 2019)

Treasons You May Leave (The Mueller Investigation Part 96) (April 11, 2019)

Treasonable Redactions (The Mueller Investigation Part 97) (April 18, 2019)

Treasons We Won't Abandon Him (The Mueller Investigation Part 98) (April 19, 2019)

Treasons to Subpoena (The Mueller Investigation Part 99) (April 24, 2019)

Treasons She was Right... About Everything (The Mueller Investigation Part 100) (April 30, 2019)

Treasonable Returns on Your Investment (The Mueller Investigation Part 101) (May 3, 2019)

When It's Treasonable to Assert Your Privilege (The Mueller Investigation Part 102) (May 9, 2019)

Treasons You May Have a Rat (The Mueller Investigation Part 103)(May 17, 2019)

Treasons to Like Subpoena Coladas (The Mueller Investigation Part 104) (May 22, 2019)

Treasons She Gets Under Your Skin (The Mueller Investigation Part 105) (May 28, 2019)

Treason It's a Crime (The Mueller Investigation Part 106) (May 31, 2019)

A Treason for Hope (The Mueller Investigation Part 107) (June 5, 2019)

Is it true Trump is really meeting the Irish leader in an airport? lmao

Isn't it time to stop listing all the previous threads? The originator of these threads was not the current OP, anyway.

I like listing them. Too bad we can't include links in the comment bar.

Excellent title, OP.

That bitch is going down. And not just on fat Donnie.

You gotta love how round Billy suddenly wants to deal with the house committees who have subpoenaed him. Nadler told him to pound sand - he is still holding the contempt hearing on round Billy next week.

I say lock that fat fucker up in rikers with lyin Paulie and see how fast he decides he wants to cooperate. But make him sweat for a few days while the Democrats kick around their options.

Fuck these traitors. With a rusty chainsaw.

sorry to anyone posting here who might share the name but "Hicks" sounds so trashy to me. They try giving Hope Hicks this glamorous image but her last name totally ruins it (even if you don't take her association with the Trumps into consideration)

Democrats worry Bernie Sanders could play spoiler again

Democrats are worried that if he doesn’t win the party’s presidential nomination himself, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) will be a thorn in the side of the Democratic nominee for president — especially if it’s former Vice President Joe Biden.

The Democrats worry that Sanders won’t be a team player if he loses, and that he and his supporters will be particularly problematic if Biden or another rival seen as out of step with progressives comes out on top.

“I think Bernie will do everything in his power to elevate himself by pushing others down,” said one aide to a Democratic senator.

A senior aide to a second Democratic senator said concerns about Sanders dividing the party next year are widely held, even though everyone in the Senate Democratic Conference is holding their tongue for fear of making things even worse.

The aide said that when it comes to Sanders, there is a concern among Biden supporters that “this guy is going to play spoiler again.”

The worries follow a bitter 2016 primary fight between Sanders and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, who won the nomination and then was defeated by President Trump in the Electoral College.

Some Democrats have blamed Sanders in part for that outcome, arguing he stayed in the primary against Clinton too long and that he did not do enough to bring his supporters on board in November.

I was watching commentary from a former intelligence guy last night...something he said I didn't think about...while the Democrats are taking their time building a case, they have to worry about when the DOJ will be done with their investigation of the investigation because it will no doubt have something in there that they can spin against the FBI & Democrats. So the House Democrats NEED to get the truth narrative out there well before that, or else Trump & Barr might regain the upper hand. They've really got to get a move on with these hearings.

OK John Dean next week but how about Christie soon after? He won't defy a subpoena and there's no privilege to worry about

Trump is spending $1 million of your money to rent four limousines in Ireland - FOR TWO DAYS.

Barr and Mnuchin have used that tactic before to stall investigations. "We're willing to negotiate." is bullshit. Just like Mnuchin made his excuses to delay the process over taxes. I'm glad Nadler is finally taking a hardline. That's what is needed. All the fake groundswell of cries for impeachment will quiet down a bit if the Democrats get a lot tougher and more defiant and "in your face" with the Republicans. There's no reason why they have to act like supplicants.

Most people don't even understand what Impeachment is, which is why they aren't in favor of it even though they oppose Trump. So educating voters is critical. Hearings will help make that happen and yes, the investigative hearings they're having now, will lead to a formal Impeachment inquiry. I suspect the Democrats will have those hearings all next year, and the Senate's open hostility will help Democrats win some Senate Races. Not as many as we need, but quite a few.

Another day, another thread. My prayer is that one day these threads will no longer be necessary and we can go back to a normal way of life. And the only threads about Trump will be about his various trials.

Mueller retired. His investigation is over and he refuses to discuss it any further. Let it go or watch Trump get re-elected. Nothing is going to make Hillary your President.

[quote]And the only threads about Trump will be about his various trials.

Or his family members' various funerals.

R16, go eat an orange cock.

Wonder what our Forefathers and mothers think of the United States of America at this moment in time.

The Donnie Dotard Bone Spurs, the Third Lady, and their henchmen make me sick.

In no particular order and by no means comprehensive:

George Washington

Martha Washington

James Madison

Alexander Hamilton

John Adams

Abigail Adams

Thomas Jefferson

Benjamin Franklin

Harriett Tubman

Sojourner Truth

Abraham Lincoln

Susan B. Anthony

Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Eleanor Roosevelt

Rosa Parks

"You told me you were married and like to rough up your gals, you lie and I ain't giving you a kiss!"

R19, the people on your list who were not Globalists in pursuit of a New World Order would have vigorously approved of Trump's America First politics.

Trump is the enemy of globalist Jewry. That is why the DC Swamp and the Lying Media hate him.

With everything that has ever been run up the flagpole about Bernie Sanders being an unwitting/witting divisive asset for Russia/Putin, what are some bullet points we can list that don’t sound like tinfoil hat nonsense and are actually verifiable?

I cannot believe how many earnest Bernie Bros are still out there that I’ve run into and I’d like to offer more to the encounter than just shaking my head and “seriously?”

I love hitting the ignore button on the obvious Trump ball lickers.

R22 what are Mnuchin, John Bolton, and much of DIT's cabinet and advisors? Pentecostal Holiness? Trump kisses Netanyahu's arse. You trolls are not prepped well, are you?

R22 Sheldon Adelson gives $$$$$$s to Trump and Republicans. Last checked, he ain't Southern Baptist. You need better workshops in St. Petersburg.

Morning again, and I see tons of missing posts. OML the trolls are at it again.

Is St. PeePeeburg so dire the only jobs available are piss poor paying troll jobs? Russians really are the bottom of the barrel.

This thread is half empty with missing posts lol. I’ll come back in a day or two.

The trolls are just so transparent too. They immediately get called out here and then just continue peddling their totally unbelievable talking points.

Reuters: House panel will move forward with contempt vote against Barr, Ross

Politico: Study: Russia's manipulation of Twitter was far vaster than believed

Bumpity bump

How can that turd even dare to stand with anybody involved in fighting during WW2 when he’s a fucking Nazi sympathizer???

JFC, where the hell has this country gone???

is the House going to hold Mnuchin in contempt too?

[quote]How can that turd even dare to stand with anybody involved in fighting during WW2 when he’s a fucking Nazi sympathizer???

Did you see the part of his interview with Piers Morgan when asked about not serving for bone spurs. He said he would have fought the Nazis, that Vietnam was not worth fighting and it is not like he was protesting or heading to Canada, and that he has more than made up for not serving during Vietnam for how much he has done for the armed services as president.

I want to comment on the discussion that was about and included FCI in the last thread. It's a Washington truism that everyone knows everything but not everyone knows if it's true. John McCain once commented that he's never seen anything in an intelligence briefing that hasn't been in the paper. My point is there's no lack of information out there (which makes what Seth Abramson does so important), but it's the confirmation that's often most scarce and thus valuable.

FCI also claimed that his source had heard the most damning information about Trump and how he would soon be gone - over a year ago.

NOW, he just reposts the same things we says here, mostly about the people fighting over Nancy.

He's not "confirming" anything whatsoever.

The Trump administration on Wednesday canceled a multimillion-dollar contract with a California research lab that uses fetal tissue to test new HIV treatments in a significant tightening of federal support for biomedical science that relies on material collected from elective abortions.

[QUOTE] FCI also claimed that his source had heard the most damning information about Trump and how he would soon be gone - over a year ago.

Yeah, um, he never stated this. Not even once. Provide us with a quote if you’re so sure of yourself.

Your whole goal seems to be to try and discredit real sources on here. And you’re pathetically failing in that endeavor.

These threads will keep going as the traitors and the Kkkrime kkklan will be prosecuted and I plan to follow every last humiliating day of court and testimony.

r34 Please tell me he did not say this. Please. I beg you. Please. No way. If Obama or Bill C had said anything remotely close...........fuck it. Off the charts in every way. OML.

r36 You seem to really have it out for me. I never said that. Prove it you POS. Who are you? Are you Aaron Schock? Going back months and months, you've continually tried to discredit me and lie about things I've said.

r38 Thank you!

FCI, your insights are very much appreciated. Thank you!

I love FCI!

As I have stated before, I would gladly use my oral skills to show you much appreciation.

FCI ... NOT R40.....C'mon, you're smarter than that! You, (and some of the rest of us), keep taking his bait. Nobody is served by responding to him. For the sake of the rest of us who greatly appreciate your contribution and input, please ignore every one of his posts starting now! That goes for anyone else as well, (including me). This was my last.

Thanks.

R43 here. Sorry, I meant the poster 4 previous to the one I listed, (a mistake, but maybe for the best).

r42 I'm blushing. I'm just a good southern boy who is waiting on marriage to bust my nut. :) Oh heck, when and where?

r43 You're right. I appreciate you all and I find it funny how this thing keeps following me around and seems very bothered by me for reasons that I can't figure out. He's amusing in that respect.

I wlll continue to provide you all with what I can. It has never been much but trolls aren't going to stop me.

Trolls- Stop fucking around with FCI!

I am so appreciative FCI for your tidbits thanks! What are u hearing about GOP threatening to overrule trumps veto on the mexico tarriff? Is it a stunt to make the GOP look like they arent in trumps pocket or is it the real deal? I dont trust turtle mcconnell whatsoever and this seems like something he would cook up to try give rethugs some cover as we near the impeachment hearings.

r46 I haven't talked to my friend since yesterday but I'm going to go with this is a stunt. But you're a smart person. Everything the GOP does is a stunt. They have no principles or morals.

And, thank you!

The Hill: Pelosi: Trump's Mexico tariff threat is a 'distraction' from Mueller report

My post at r35 is pro-FCI, just in case there's any misunderstanding. I didn't mean to provoke a troll response. I did mean to point out something that I know is valuable in FCI's participation here, especially when some posters tend to undervalue the confirmation of existing information and inflate the value of new information. It's only natural to do so (and I myself search as compulsively for Trump news as anyone), but I want to give my perspective about the importance of confirmation.

r49 I took it as support. I didn't see anyone who did. Thanks for pointing out what you did.

r48 Once again, Nancy nails it.

^^^ meant I didn't see anyone who didn't see it as support.

FCI the next time you speak to your sources can you ask if Democrats are going to start putting out attack ads on McConnell? It would be wise to not make the 2020 elections all about Trump. Expose the repubs further. McConnell should go down in history as 1 of the biggest super villains in US political history

r52 I already know that answer and it is yes. He will be played up as the villain he is. They plan on hitting rural markets hard as well. He is not doing well in MI, WI, IA, PA. They feel electorally, things are looking great. They want to go for a huge popular vote win as well.

FCI said Trump was going to start doing things that harm people by Executive Order. I can totally see that today with the cancellation of the fetal tissue research for HIV and by canceling English instruction and legal aid for the migrant children held at the border.

R54 FCI says a lot of things... I think FCI just likes the attention. When has one thing come true that tallies up with FCI’s tidbits”? It either hasn’t, or it was already known info. Send a “red alert text” to your Washington contacts about that FCI.

Oh fuck off, FCI-attacker.

Anytime we get an "insider" or even "semi-sorta-insider" posting things some douchebag has to come along and fuck with it. I don't know FCI, I can't and don't keep up with the zillions of posts every day in these stupid fucking "let's hide all the political news in ONE thread only" chains. I do recall seeing FCI post in the past and it seems that he/she is just a typical DC worker bee. A useful thing to have at the DL since we get all of our information from the newspapers and television news.

I want the old DL back, where we had lots of threads on whatever we wanted, not this segregated ghetto thread.

At what point do I say anything about segregating political news to another thread? Please tell me? My point, clearly made, is that FCI has never posted actual news despite posing as some sort of insider posting special info. The stuff about executive orders to harm people... Trump started that in his FIRST day in office, get a clue. So you learn to read, or kindly fuck off yourself.

r57 You poor thing. You clearly don't actually read or comprehend what has been said. Sounds like you're a shut in.

Oh my gosh, the FCI-attacker has become completely invisible!

I can't imagine how that happened.

On the FCI question New Pew Survey Finds Americans Consider Made-Up News a Bigger Problem Than Terrorism

I try to avoid listening or looking at him, R34

I laugh whenever I see a bumper sticker that says veterans for drumpf or anything equally stupid. Don’t these idiots see he’s gutting their pensions and benefits????

lmao in addition to his farmer base, now Trump's policies are hurting truckers!

I'm sure many of them will still vote for him anyway but even if a small amount peel off for the Democrats, he's fucked

Im sorry R59 I didn’t respond to you in less than three minutes. Like you, I have a life. R60 said it best actually. You’re boring, FCI is boring, and I’m bored of this. Bye arsehole.

But, r62....

r63 It actually appears you don't have a life. You're blathering on and on and lying while you're at it. Boring? Projection at its finest. Are you a Russian troll or a good ol American bred right wing troll?

R34, he did not say anything that coherent. He said that he was “not a fan” of the war in Vietnam because Vietnam was “far away” and “no one had ever heard of Vietnam.” He wouldn’t fight because it wasn’t a FAMOUS country.

I appreciate FCI and his insights. If something he has posted doesn't pan out, it's because everything with Trump is fluid. Trump changes what's left of his puny little mind from one minute to the next, so although the Dems focus hasn't changed, some of their strategy has changed.

USA Today: Bette Midler thanks those who defended her after Trump called her a 'washed up psycho'

Turtle has dismal approval rating in Kentucky as well. He is hoping his blood money will save him but if the Dems run a good candidate, he is toast.

Brashear is running for governor against the carpetbagger, bevins. Which means we need amy McGrath or Alison Grimes to kick this traitor in the cunt.

Alison almost beat him the last time.

Whoever runs against him will get my hands to knock doors, hand out flyers and make calls. Fuck these goddamned traitors, their Russian hackers and their NRA blood money.

Since Trump took office, net approval in:

Florida has decreased by 22 percentage points

Michigan has decreased by 20 percentage points

Pennsylvania has decreased by 17 percentage points

Wisconsin has decreased by 19 percentage points

R70 link matches up with my exposure to deplorables.

They went from cocky assholes to now they “don’t want to talk about it.”

Oh really? NOW you don’t want to talk about it? After all the harassment and hatred and divisiveness?

So now your factory is closed and family farm is belly up so NOW you don’t want to talk about it?

Wages are going down every year after inflation and these fools just “don’t want to talk about it.”

Allison Grimes ended up losing by more than was predicted though McConnell is not as popular now. He may need someone like McGrath opposite him. She is a real fighter and I think will be much more formidable than Grimes.

KY and SC need new leadership. Too many forigners influencing policy in each state that just props up the forgiven owned farms and factories.

Deplorables are waking up and realizing that the Latinos aren’t the biggest problem.

Washington Post: Trump is ‘making up’ for not serving in Vietnam with increased defense funding, he says

The Hill: Poll: 74 percent of Americans say former Trump officials should obey congressional subpoenas

Farmer sentiment hits its lowest level since before Trump's election as the China trade war drags on

[quote]Mueller retired. His investigation is over and he refuses to discuss it any further.

I actually hate him for doing this, dems should subpoena his ass and drag him in front of the house judiciary committee.

r71 They only care about owning the libs.

Van Jones (or someone on MSNBC) had on a farmer named Jason who said he was absolutely not going to vote for Pres Bone Spurs next time but he had a real libertarian streak and wanted to do away with both parties. THIS is the problem. We are not a parlimentary system. What exactly are the options? Either way, what you would end up with are coalitions who would end up being exactly what we have now- center left and center right.

People like Jason will not give the Dems a true chance. They've made up their minds, have complete misconceptions about Dems, act like Dems have "forgotten" about people like him when every thing the Dems do would benefit people like him. All the Jasons in the world think is the Dems want welfare for brown people. They aren't listening.

No party will get anything done until we wrestle away money from the rich. Nothing will get better until 10% don't own 90% of the wealth. That is not sustainable and will not ever allow the economics of the avg person to improve. One party will never allow the rich to pay one fucking cent more. The other party has and will require them to. It amazes me how so many avg workers carry water for the rich, the poor picked on rich. Every time you see people saying, "The rich aren't evil. They worked hard for their money and we are treating them like they are the villains." Most of them aren't the villains but a good number are and they've caused this problem.

I wish these people would give the Dems a chance. Like a supermajority in Congress plus the Presidency. Give them 8 years. I bet so much systemic shit gets fixed. Conversely, give the GOP the same and you watch our economy fall off a cliff into something we will never recover from.

Remember to tell deplorables that the repug scum had all three branches for two years and two branches before that

[quote]I appreciate FCI and his insights.

What "insights," R67?

Can you list even one true insight that's not something that's already discussed online and in these threads?

No.

Could an insider please answer this question. Are the military still for Trump? What would it take to cause the military to break? Thanks.

r80 You're acting like this is personal. Hmmmm. You are seriously acting like a crazed nutjob. Triggered much? Do you need a safe room? Do you need your binky? Do you need your Xanax?

Get a grip, a life, some meds.

I’m neutral on the FCI troll but what I can’t stand is when people circle wagons with no real reason. You see this in public if some has a legitimate complaint to a retail outlet, for example, the other people in line get mad at the complainer.

I hope that’s not going on here.

If FCI is legit, then the criticism against him will fall on its own. It doesn’t need a choir of wagon-circling. I can’t stand that kind of hive thinking. This is not that kind of thread.

That being said, the FCI hater doesn’t need to go on and on about it. State your criticism and FCI’s merits will stand on their own or will match your criticism.

For the rest of you who are so quick to defend someone, make sure you’re doing it for the right reasons. Don’t be gullible.

r81 It is culturally built into the military that conservatives, despite facts, support them. They are a propaganda machine for conservatism. Blatantly so. I've had friends come out saying you really couldn't say you were left on anything. I think they has started waning over the last 2 decades of conservative fuck ups.

r83 Thanks for the lecture. Though, you showed your hand with the "troll" comment. Neutral? Fuck right on off and guess what? Everyone here are grown ups and don't need your lecturing to tell them they can or can't say. Understand?

How dare you raise a concern. That is not allowed in hive think.

Since FCI has now added "Plans changed behind the scenes" to his repertoire, he's now using the same kinds of tactics as QAnon. "Hillary wasn't arrested? That's been moved back a little to focus on blah blah blah" is no different than "The Dems were primed to take down Trump but a few things behind the scenes have changed so it's been moved back a bit according to my good friend."

Comrade FCI reports just like a QAnon post. No news, just vague and hazy predictions that could change at any minute but will materialize later on.

The Russians want to divide us and an obvious tool being used is Komrade "President Bone Spurs" FCI himself.

Hive think? Fuck off, troll. The trolls are back hijacking this thread.

r86 Tell us more, Boris.

One of the anti-FCI posters is pissed off over, get this, me going after their favorite diva. Yes, 86, is pissed off due to a pop singer.

Anyway, he's blocked now.

R83 & R85 are right about the hive mind and the gang stalking that goes on here.

The petty fighting on these threads gets tiresome. FCI has posted interesting things. Stop attacking him.

For me, lately I've felt depressed about the state we're in. Depressed because everything I've learned about "cheaters never win" and "honesty is the best policy" etc have been completely upended as we watch as cheaters have taken over the government and are destroying our democracy.

The majority of the country does not want the repressive, greedy, hateful republican agenda. If they didn't cheat there would be a Democrat in the White House and there would have been since 2000 when Gore's win was stolen by unscrupulous repukes.

The majority does not want to see a lying, cheating, gross, rude, arrogant narcissistic asshole in the White House. It's too much. McConnell is another lying scumbag. To see members of this corrupt lying administration cavorting with the Queen is too much. It's a slap in the face of all that is dignified, respectful, honest, and fair.

That people still support that orange creep and his allies is mind-boggling. I guess racism, sexism, cheating and lying is just OK with them. And they're supposed to be Christians. I'm no Christian but I know that they haven't been struck dead by a vengeful god because there is no truth or justice in anything they believe, even religion. Only we can save ourselves and we better step up and investigate continuously until we vote the swamp dwellers out.

My access is different than FCI's, but it does match with FCI's insight into the Speaker's office and their preparation for impeachment based on the people they interviewed and hired. That office looked to staff up like impeachment was imminent after the midterms. However, my what I know doesn't confirm or debunk FCI's assertion about the Democratic leadership's current strategy because, based only on the hiring information I know, leadership could have genuinely been waiting for Mueller's report and now find impeachment an untenable or unattractive position.

While I've stated I'm pro-FCI (though he *could* of course be FOS--any of us could be), I also have to say that another poster I've come to enjoy on these threads is the poster who asked his or her forensic accountant neighbor if she'd been following one of the Manafort trials. The neighbor replied that she'd been testifying in it! That must have ben 50 or so threads ago, but it's a gem.

R84, in the DataLounge vernacular, the word "troll" can also be used to denote a poster known to post about a specific topic. This is a non-malicious designation, and it's generally unrelated to Russian or internet troll accusations. We have Janet Jackson trolls, etc. In your case, IMO, it's the posts doubting FCI's credibility that have given you the FCI troll moniker. Maybe you already knew that. I do think you've made your argument. We'll see what happens, as Trump so often says.

Miz Lindzey was one that was happy to see Hope leave D.C. No one needs to impede on Miz Lindzey's gentleman caller list.

Call me CCI (Current Congressional Insider).

My super-secret source/fuckbud is way up the DC Democratic food chain and he told me the other night while we were jacking off together over Aaron Schock videos (which have not been released yet!) that the next few weeks will decide where the Dems take this in the Fall.

Yes, my insider secret source assures me that the Dems want to rush forward with Impeachment to get it into the public's eyes but that they are also worried about how most likely the Senate will not convict, which will hurt the Dems 2020 and beyond.

So, there's a LOT of talk going on behind closed doors about exactly which path to take, while still maintaining a drip drip drip of damning information against Prez Bone Spurs von Fuckstick.

It may look like the Dems are pensive but they are really deciding the right move to make to get Cheetolini's jugular. Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it's not happening.

And just because this is the same stuff as Seth Abramson posts every hour on the hour on Twitter does not mean I'm just copying him and pretending it's really scoop from my super secret insider sex hookup friend. It's all real! And I've been here since 1995!

And if something changes, something happened behind the scenes!

CCI

R94 hahaha that is gold! Well done. To be fair, we are all here talking about FCI and giving him half the thread so I guess he is getting what he wants out of this. This is my last comment on it as I actually agree with the level-headed posters above such as R83 and R93.

R95 I'm surprised there aren't posts accusing all the Pro posts as being trolls or FCI himself!

[quote]We have Janet Jackson trolls, etc.

Correction, there is only ONE Janet Jackson troll on DL, the rabid, insane, Jabba, who is also a Drumpf lover.

R6, why are you so bothered?

Wow so much attention. As I've always said, I don't care who believes me. I've given good, specific information in the past. I rarely even post scoop and when I do, I always acknowledge it isn't groundbreaking. But, for those who appreciate it, I will continue. For those who don't, I don't really give a fuck. The attacks let me know I am doing something right. If you don't like it, ignore me. Really easy. The regulars on these threads know exactly what I have brought so I can only conclude the triggered ones are new OR-

The poster I blocked at 86 and a few others, are pissed off only because of a spat about a pop singer. They've gone mental due to that.

One thing the haters have tried to do is derail us from talking about Mueller and the really bad week Pres Bone Spurs has had. Not anymore. Block is a wonderful tool.

[quote]I've given good, specific information in the past.

Nope. Not even once.

Hope you are enjoying your vacation FCI!

Is the DC poster with the accountant neighbors (who I believe also solved a murder) still around? I’ve been thinking about him as well R92. I’d love to hear an update even if it is just a still around check-in.

As for that complaining “ghetto” comment. Well in the beginning (or at least 97 when I first arrived) there really were separate threads. Gossip was one amongst many. Politics was another and Muriel (whom we didn’t call Muriel) really would and did move your post if you spammed the gossip thread with discussions about the plot of an Ellen episode. So I think you are misinformed about the old days.

So I posted a question two threads ago and haven’t received an answer I’d consider definitive; can there be separate impeachment “referrals” from the House to the Senate forcing the Senate to hold multiple impeachment trials? There were two federal Manafort trials; could we have an emoluments impeachment and export controls violation impeachment and racketeering impeachment etc?

[quote]Isn't it time to stop listing all the previous threads? The originator of these threads was not the current OP, anyway.

You're free to skip over the posts you don't like. But I suspect you already know that and your complaint is well, for reasons that are obvious.

I also never claimed to be the original OP of these threads, I have however, opened the last 100 threads (just realized that looking back). If people have issues with it, I'm sure they'll voice their opinions.

[quote]So I posted a question two threads ago and haven’t received an answer I’d consider definitive; can there be separate impeachment “referrals” from the House to the Senate forcing the Senate to hold multiple impeachment trials?

I'm sure Fake Congressional Insider can get right on that.

Or, you know, just read a Seth Abramson Twitter thread for the actual answers.

Did he admit that he faked his bonespur and he's been lying about it ever since?

An MRI would prove it either way. If he ever had a bonespur it would still show. Put up or shut up orange traitor.

Boy, somebody *really* wants to highlight Seth Abramson's work.

Or Judd Legum or that gay Twitter guy...Kyle Griffin!

They all say the same think that False Congressional Incel pretends his "source" tells him.

[quote] I can’t stand that kind of hive thinking. This is not that kind of thread.

Are you fucking kidding? It has been EXACTLY that kind of thread since about half way into Part 2.

Ways and means chair Neal is refusing to use the new New York law about trumps taxes. I don't know what to think

ABC: Pelosi on impeachment: 'Make no mistake: We know exactly what path we’re on'

R103 has Seth Abramson answered that question? If yes, could you post a link?

Tia

Back in the day the Lesbians had their own section.

Jerry Nadler Doesn’t Answer When Asked If He and Nancy Pelosi Agree on Impeaching Trump

[quote]Back in the day the Lesbians had their own section.

Now isn't that just sad and divisive?

TPM: Neal Balks At Using New New York State Law To Get Trump Tax Returns '

But Bloomberg reports that Neal won’t ask the Empire State for Trump’s returns under the law, fearing that doing so could jeopardize a looming court battle with the Treasury Department over the President’s tax records. Neal has asked IRS Commissioner Chuck Rettig and Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin to provide him with the returns, pursuant to a law that mandates the Treasury to “furnish” certain federal lawmakers with the returns of any filer upon request.

Mnuchin has refused every request, as well as a subpoena that Neal sent last month. That sets the stage Neal to file a lawsuit, which he has not yet done since Mnuchin announced on May 17 that he would not comply with the House’s subpoena.

A lawsuit — while potentially successful over the long term — is likely to take months, if not years to be resolved. As a result, House Democrats have looked to New York’s legislature for an assist.

But Neal’s comments to Bloomberg suggest that he has put the kibosh on that route.

“We don’t have jurisdiction over New York taxes,” Neal said, with Bloomberg reporting that the congressman’s concern speaks to the stated rationale for requesting the returns: examining whether the IRS is impartially auditing its boss, President Trump.

[quote]ABC: Pelosi on impeachment: 'Make no mistake: We know exactly what path we’re on'

I bet Pretend Congressional Intern's "source" knows what path Nancy is on!

Not really, R113, it was very nice. It's perfectly all right for Gays and Lesbians to have their own spaces for discussion online. In fact, it's perfectly all right for Gays and Lesbians to have their own spaces anywhere.

ABC: Pelosi on impeachment: 'Make no mistake: We know exactly what path we’re on', and then broke into a chorus of the Mississippi Mud.

We need to flush these dinosaur Democrats out of the system and replace them with people who will frame the argument in terms of holding officials to the law and the Constitution, not ones who fret about the optics and let the Republicans set the terms.

R118, you're fucking high. Nancy Pelosi is the ONLY person in DC who has successfully trolled, trashed and beaten this fucking orange traitor. She stays. You can shut the fuck up.

Already had R118 blocked for being tacitly pro-Trump.

FCI...

Fuck the haters. You are appreciated here.

I've been on DL since 1996 and you are one of my all time favorite posters.

Keep up the good work.

I think that most of Chris Christie's testimony as reported in the Mueller report was already public knowledge, because he talked about it either on ABC or in his book. I'm not sure how much he could or would add if he testified before Congress - his opinion was that Trump's campaign was too disorganized to actually collude with Russia.

It would be interesting to hear his thoughts about the New Hampshire primary - a Russian oligarch helped fund the dark money campaign against him - but I don't think any of that can be tied to Trump. Yet. And I'd love for someone to ask him if he thought Jared Kushner was involved in Bridgegate, but he has been very discreet on that subject.

That's a good question, elder lez.

I don't really know but I would hazard a guess that impeachment works the same way as any criminal trial. Usually the prosecutor (house) lines up as many charges as possible to overwhelm the criminal and either get him to plead, turn over his conspirators or let him know what he's facing if he goes to trial.

Just a guess, like I said. There are others more intelligent than I who should know.

Remember, if you come for the mob boss, you best not miss or he will consolidate his power. And NONE of us wants that.

It's possible that technically more than one impeachment trial could take place.

As a practical matter it is not possible. You get one shot at the king. Miss and it's all over, you don't get a second shot.

[quote]Keep up the good work.

What exactly has he done? Swipe Twitter talk?

I think it's funny that some (or one) poster prefers to keep this thread "segregated"and seems to take offense at posters like Elder Lez. I know better than to attempt to stand up to an Elder Lez. lol

Most only have the courage when it's an anonymous board.

Middle-aged sissy gayboy here, with much appreciation for Elder Lez and anybody with respect, brains, and purpose.

Much love to you middle aged sissy gayboy!!!

I am going to give that poster the benefit of the doubt. Datalounge was very specifically a site for gay men AND lesbians in the beginning, but I think there was one lesbian specific “chat area” amongst all the other topics. Remember there were no threads back then so you’d be reading every post in the topic area you chose. Anyway it may be that that post was just an unartfully articulated memory of that time and not a misogynistic attack.

Too bad we don't have a leader who would send Seal Team 6 to Moscow... you know their planes were fucking with our planes for almost 3 hours today?

The Hill: Polls flash 2020 warning for Trump

My mother was a lesbian and so was my other one.

Who taught Hope Hicks how to apply makeup?

Dr. Frank N. Furter???

Even Seth knows he's put the pieces together before so many others:

[quote]A lot of the topics you all have read about on this feed for 18 months now are going to start showing up in "breaking news" stories in the months ahead. FYI.

CNN: Impeachment: Jerry Nadler won't say if he's on same page as Pelosi

June 14th is DjT's birthday. So, a freshly made upside-down peach cake from a notable chef is to be flown from SC to go to the WH?

R129 CNN was just reporting that 51% think that Trump will win a 2nd term. Many of them were Democrats. I think it is too soon to speculate who will win. What a scary thought. If he does win our democracy is over.

"Woe is us", huh?

Might as well give up, right, R135?

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r135 People can think what they want. They fear he will, I think, more than they think he will. I know people who think he will win just because of Russian help.

Perhaps the UK royals needed to have toned it back with Trump's visit.

Very impressed with Warren's town hall. Her speaking style is improving. Every Dem should talk like her but I guess they have to speak what comes natural to them.

She's gone up in my view. I'm on the verge of thinking she could get elected.

So on the 4th of July, maybe the first serious clash between Deplokids and true Americans? It could happen...wherever the fireworks are? Remember all the blood at the Democratic convention in Chicago...maybe it could be Deplorable blood this time? Don't bring the kids.

I DVRed it, watching now. I must say, I didn’t know enough about her two+ years ago, her squeaky voice annoyed me. I thought she was a showboat/grandstander — once AGAIN, I allowed unfair coverage to shape my opinions. JFC, how many times will I fall for that shit???

This bitch has had negative coverage *because* she can change the game. Do *not* let yourself be snowed by biased coverage, she has real ideas that can protect the poor, save the middle class and reshape our economy, AND still keep the rich rich! It’s a win-win-win. I loooooove her now. Yes, she’s geeky and goofy, but who gives a shit? I’m a nerd too.

I’ve said numerous times I won’t decide yet, it’s too early. But (sshhhhh don’t tell anyone) my current fantasy ticket? Warren/Buttigieg with Harris as SOS. Boom, I just saved our country and the world, you cheap ungrateful whores.

Love,

Your Cunty Mother

R119, I was thinking of Richard Neal, not Pelosi.

R120 must be high if they blocked me for being "tacitly pro-Trump." But I'm not going to get started about posters who think that criticism of a Democrat means a person supports Trump. I'll just repeat that Democrats need to lay down some standards on holding elected officials to the law (e.g. subpoenas).

E.Warren is the real deal!

R135 If Russian Hacking into our elections is not fully investigated and remedied,i.e. PAPER BALLOTS FOR ALL, the chances of Trump being re-elected are the same as they were in 2016 - 100% !!!

If by some miracle we are able to fix the problem.... well.... I'd love to say ZERO Percent, but I'll be realistic and say 40%, (or less).

I mean what does it say when you will not act to protect voting integrity?

Pretty much says it all, right?

[QUOTE] I also have to say that another poster I've come to enjoy on these threads is the poster who asked his or her forensic accountant neighbor if she'd been following one of the Manafort trials. The neighbor replied that she'd been testifying in it! That must have ben 50 or so threads ago, but it's a gem.

[QUOTE] Is the DC poster with the accountant neighbors (who I believe also solved a murder) still around? I’ve been thinking about him as well [R92]. I’d love to hear an update even if it is just a still around check-in.

Hi, Elder Lez and R92. I’m still here following this craziness with everyone else.

The forensic accountant from the Manafort trial still lives in my building as does Manafort’s own accountant (different floors lol). What’s hilarious is that Manafort’s personal accountant was the accountant for our condo board but was quickly relieved of that duty after everything came out.

The person trying to imply that posters like me and FCI are fakes obviously has an agenda that has very little to do with reality.

Politico: Pelosi tells Dems she wants to see Trump ‘in prison’

Damn Warren brought it, I hope these people truly absorb her message and LIVE it — she emphasized it must be grass roots, that *we* set out tax laws, *we* get in their faces, *we* get to decide — even though they will NOT want to give up any of their wealth, power, prestige. I get the impression many in the audience are activists in their community, that’s encouraging. Too fucking bad!!!!!!

Once upon a time we had an upper class in power who understood that lifting up “the least of these” gave us all the kind of country we want to live in.

But I digress. To the dummies who don’t like certain posters, GTFOH. Anybody from anywhere from actually any belief system can post here. If you don’t like them, challenge their ideas, challenge their assertions. And if you still regard them with a skeptic eye, then shut the fuck Up because it’s incredibly annoying that you take up real estate in this thread. Is FCI legit? Who GIVES a fuck honey?!?! If you want to know if a writer is legit, go buy a magazine with real journalists in it. I’m not here to verify someone’s legitimacy — it’s a fucking anonymous board.

[quote][R135] If Russian Hacking into our elections is not fully investigated and remedied,i.e. PAPER BALLOTS FOR ALL, the chances of Trump being re-elected are the same as they were in 2016 - 100% !!!

How could the chances of Trump being re-elected in 2016 have been 100% when he wasn’t holding any office? 🤔

[quote]Warren/Buttigieg with Harris as SOS.

I'd love that but I'd have Harris as AG. Can you imagine Trump endlessly going on and on about Pocahontas and Alfred E. Newman until even his supporters are like, "WTF is wrong with him?!"

R153, I think you’re idea is better, Harris would bring it, I guess I thought SOS because she has the poise and sophistication and toughness to properly represent us. Also, I feel like the prestige of SOS should be given to someone like her — she deserves that at this stage IMHO. But I agree with you, she would be incredible as an AG. Who do you see as SOS instead?

R150 I think that pretty much seals it....she's going to block any impeachment attempts and will roll the dice that he loses in 2020.

Thats not what she said....she basically said that impeachment wasnt enough...he needs to be in prison. She wants to make sure that even if he resigns that all his crap will follow him...and stick. Shes right...he cant be allowed to walk away unscathed.

Warren was fantastic.

r155 Really? That seals it? How do you know? Do you need a fainting couch? Or pearls to clutch? Get a grip.

R156 "I don’t want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison"

R157 Because she keeps on blocking Nadler who's ready and willing to impeach him now.

If impeachment were like sex, some of you would blow your wad in seconds.

Again, I will not take IMPEACH NOW seriously. It seems like Russian troll tactics because there is absolutely no nuance or thought in it, it is just do it now because we want it now.

R160, it's not impeach now, it's begin the process of investigations before the House votes to approve an article of impeachment. The case has got to be rock solid but it's still tricky because when (from the link) "the procedure then moves to the Senate where a “trial” is held to determine if the president committed a crime. There is no set procedure for the trial. How it is conducted would be set by the Senate leadership."

With McConnell in charge we know what will happen. Block and obstruct. We're wise not to get it to the Senate too quickly if at all before 2020. The House should investigate thoroughly and expose even more wrong doing before they vote on an article of impeachment. Senator Pelosi is wise indeed.

We should also strongly focus on flipping the Senate in 2020. If Democrats have the House and Senate in 2020 and Orange Turd is re-elected, let the Senate impeachment trials begin.

NO FOUR MORE YEARS FOR SCUM TRUMP.

Why s Nadler letting all those people give him the finger? He has options but he refuses to use them...is he just another cowardly Democrat?

We are looking for for reps to show some courage.

So much concern in this thread and so little patience. Sounds like Russian vodka addled trolls. Otherwise, WAKE UP and chill out. Things are moving you just REFUSE to see it.

[quote]If people have issues with it, I'm sure they'll voice their opinions.

Well, that's what I did.

Some of us remember your misogynist posts, too.

Oh, it's R164... back again with that bullshit. Thought you were giving it a rest, guess you were full of shit.

And yeah, the majority of people have voiced their opinions... we like OP.

The "misogynist" troll is tedious.

The only way Trump loses reelection is if the economy drops out. That's all Americans care about: $$$

[quote] Things are moving you just REFUSE to see it.

Yes I see the walls closing in on him.

R92, I am the Patricia Neal Troll, now and forever! I haven't signed a post as such in awhile, but it made me happy someone remembers this DL tradition.

FCI isn't as sexy to me as the Poll Troll, but he at least adds to the discussion on these threads.

So, what's up with Hope Hicks? Two days ago she was turning over documents. Then yesterday the President told her and Donaldson (McGahn's assistant) to ignore Congress. Did she turn things over? Is she going to testify? I think the first one to defy Trump and testify will open the floodgates. I hope she's scared enough to comply.

Hope isn't going to do anything Drumpf hasn't told her to do.

r169 The Poll Troll is the sexiest. And I'm FCI. On vacation and drunk asf.

Wow, there’s a lot of derailment going on in this thread. Things must be going pretty poorly for Trump.

But Hicks already turned over documents. Is there reporting that she stopped or has said she won't testify? The last thing I read was the White House acting like a bully again but I haven't read anything on Hicks' or Donaldson's responses.

Aside from Britain and France laughing at him this week, and all 52 republican senators are upset about his tariffs, the obese toddler is doing great, R173 ;)

The Dems should raise holy hell when McConnell refuses to convict Trump in the Senate after the Dems conviced the general public, through the very public impeachment investigation and hearings, that Donald Trump is a criminal who broke laws and tried to cover it up.

The Democratic Party should trust that the evidence is convincing enough for Trump to be seen as shameless criminal and the GOP being his accomplice. Using the message branding for the election campaign in 2020.

R158 ""I don’t want to see him impeached, I want to see him in prison"

That's like my post from last night. That death and impeachment were too good for Trump. I'm the one who wants to imprison him in my basement and torture him on a daily basis.

I guess Nancy would approve?

Trump will say several things to embarrass us today. He always does, his ignorance is stomach turning.

Trump is a criminal and he needs to be in prison. Him and his children, need to be in prison...or hung by the neck until dead. He is nothing but sewage and is a traitor to his own country.

I believe the real fight between the Dems and the Republicans is about who can establish its narrative first and better. Great, big, theatrical gestures and catchy buzz words create a more appealing narrative that can establish itself faster and better than a narrative based on common sense and reason.

The problem is that the first one appeals to the mouth breathing masses and the second to the more intellectual class. And we have to thank the Republicans for the general public being so easy and dumb since it's the Republicans who destroy public education.

I think Hicks only turned over four documents.

That disgusting piece of shit trump is ruining the DDay75 ceremonies. He has a smug bored demeanor. Vile.

IIRC Hope Hicks' father was encouraging her to gtfo of the Trump White Housebecause she would be tainted further, I wonder if he is encouraging her to cooperate now.

Hope Hicks is very young and has a long career span ahead of her. Not complying could taint her forever once the shit hits the fan.

It all goes back to love of pee pee.

Can we appreciate Nancy trolling him hardcore? The tweets from Dumpster should be unbelievable this morning!

I'm thinking the winning ticket is Warren and Harris, or Harris and Warren. The only thing that makes me uneasy about Elizabeth is her intensity. She demonstrates such conviction that she may not be open to compromise and yes we may think that's a dirty word, but you have to be able to play well with others, and She worries me in that regard. I think she is way more authentic than BErnie, but she will need to temper some of her resolve when it comes to the realpolitik.

R185, Nadler isn't ready to begin Impeachment proceedings. And he is dithering around when it comes to going after Mnuchin, Barr, and McGahn. His staff are still trying to decide how to frame the hearings. They're all over the place. I think they just announced another investigation into something else.

The other thing Nadler won't publicly acknowledge is that when it happens, Pelosi will set up a Select Committee on Impeachment to conduct hearings. They will then deliver their findings to Judiciary, and the Judiciary will write Articles Of Impeachment and then vote on them as a committee. So Nadler's role in the impeachment process is secondary to whoever Nancy picks to chair the Select Committee.

[quote]it's not impeach now, it's begin the process of investigations before the House votes to approve an article of impeachment.

The house is already investigating dozens of crimes by Trump, there is a house judiciary committee looking into everything basically.

R187, here. I have to correct myself. With Nixon, it was the Senate who set up a select committee to investigate the Watergate Break in. It was the House Judiciary committee who initiated Impeachment hearings. So Pelosi will ask for a Resolution from the House to open Impeachment inquiry, then assign it to Judiciary. But the fact still remains that Nadler is dithering. . Right now she doesn't have the votes within her own caucus. As I understand it she has about 60 pro-impeachment Democrats. It's not that they are against impeachment, but that they are against losing in the Senate on something like this. People keep looking at Pelosi, but they need to be focusing on the fucking Senate.

If Pelosi forms a House Select Committee and start investigations, HOW can they navigate around Barr blocking everything? Barr is going to do everything that it it takes to protect Dump , legal or not, just as he is doing now.

I feel especially confident this tariff mess will be the end of him.

Why r191? His other tariff messes don't seem to have dinged him at all.

For some reason he seems to get away with anything.

East Germany is a better comparison than Nazi Germany.

I love Nancy

And some of us remember R164 and his racist and homophobic posts.

John Aravosis:

If a Democratic president who was a draft dodger, from a family of draft dodgers, dared step foot in Normandy, the Republicans would never let us live it down. This is the difference between how the GOP tackles politics, and how we do. We let things go, they attack.

It's so sickening hearing pundits praising Dump for being "on script" and "Presidential".

This is THE most corrupt President who has sold out our country to Russher.

R196 Rethuglicans attack relentlessly and DO NOT let it go AND repeat it in teeny, repeated soundbite lies ad nauseam until Deplorables internalize it as The Truth.

But Democrats go high when the Rethuglicans go low.

[quote]But Democrats go high

Got a phone number for me man?

AP: Tick tock goes the political clock as Dems weigh impeachment

Politico: Trump launches fresh trade threats before D-Day ceremonies in Normandy

Hicks turned over a few documents, still no reason to believe that what she turned over wasn't authorized by Dotard's camp.

I think Trump may have a hard time funding the 2020 campaign. A lot of dark money flowed into 2016. NRA dropped $30M on Trump and other republicans. They don't have that kind of pocket change lying around now. The NRA allowance from the Russian homeland has dried up. It will seem very suspicious if they suddenly have a flush of cash on hand. They are under too much scrutiny right now for them to provide the cover for foreign $$$$ in 2020. Trump isn't going to spend any of his own money. Lots of journalist eyes will be watching where the money comes from. I'm hoping we will see lots of scrutiny even though SOTUS has basically allowed foreign and dark money to come into the campaigns by relaxing election laws.

Some gems from the Faux interview with Laura (Master Race) Ingraham:

On Mueller:

“Let me tell you, he made such a fool out of himself ... because what people don’t report is the letter he had to do to straighten out his testimony because his testimony was wrong,” Trump told Ingraham.

On Pelosi:

“Nancy Pelosi, I call her Nervous Nancy, Nancy Pelosi doesn’t talk about it,” Trump said, referring to the joint statement. “Nancy Pelosi is a disaster, ok? She’s a disaster. Let her do what she wants, you know what? I think they’re in big trouble.”

On Impeachment:

“dirty, filthy and disgusting word,”

On tariffs:

“When you’re the piggy bank that everybody steals from and robs from, they deceive you like they’ve been doing from 25 years, tariffs are a beautiful thing, it’s a beautiful word if you know how to use them properly,” Trump told Fox News.

“Republicans should love what I’m doing.”

On Normandy:

"There was never a more important event than the event 75 years ago today, think of that? These were incredible, brave people who were just being blown up and you have the graves all other. These were people who knew they were going to die. It was, it was, horrendous," he said. "... This was a very, very horrific day, but it was also a very special day and it's an honor to be here."

Jesus Christ, R204. He’s self impeaching.

To think that Captain Bonespurs in all of his assholish finery will not only be presiding over DDay ceremonies but VE and VJ ceremonies really is an insult to those who fought and died.

R203: Most of the money that funded Trump came from Russian oligarchs and a few other assorted sleazebags. They funneled money to the NRA and they made significant contributions to the Republican pacs and individual members of Congress. They will do more of the same in 2020. And the Adelson money, the Kochs, and the Mercers, et al will be there. They will definitely have what they need. Trump already has raised a significant amount for 2020.

I think the way it works is once Hicks agrees to cooperate she has to cooperate. She can't decide to withhold some documents and share others. If she does, she will be breaking the law and could face jail time.

R208 I like that you think shes concerned about that.

Just like the rest of them are concerned about breaking the law and facing jail time by not cooperating with a subpoena?

[quote]And the Adelson money, the Kochs, and the Mercers, et al will be there.

Is there any chance that money from the above mentioned donors/funders can be labeled as dirty if they know they are “matching” funds from a hostile foreign power?

Could participating financially in an attempted coup/act of war bring these shitbags down once and for all?

How wonderful -- the Social Register serving sentences for treason.

Finally then a playground nickname for Nancy. If there's one thing she isn't, though, it's 'nervous.' Globally obviously. Pathetic fail.

Oh now he has a nickname for Nancy. And it is a YUGE fail. He lost his touch.

R188, I know that. Should have said continue and ramp up investigations.

Just because there is some stonewalling does not mean the investigations have stopped. The Dems are wrapping up the WH is tons of paperwork and other shit it can't breath.

r203. I believe the Manaforts2.0 and the Maria Butinas2.0 are busy building new back-door-channels to funnel criminal funds to Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if the Trump kids are even more involved since they got the affirmation that they are untouchable for now. As soon Trump is no longer POTUS I believe the entire clan retires to an island where the US can't reach them legally.

On the just-deleted Putin Russian Troll thread, a good point was made about posters who continually link to Right Wing sites, with The Hill specifically mentioned.

Well, there's one poster here who continuously posts links to The Hill and always repeats "Story it's The Hill, guys, but..." Every time.

Sock puppet, Russian troll, yep.

These links are supposed to make their perversion of truth look more legit, because link = proof. Create some official sounding news source, give it some non-descrip name to make it look like it's a legit, neutral press outlet and then post right wing article after right wing article that gets shared and create the narrative that the right wing news source is totally legit and writes about the truth.

I watched Weld on Lawrence O'Donnell's show last night and it struck me. He said opening an impeachment hearing and voting for it could take between a year and 18 months...so if the Democrats want to do it they better get going or else they'll probably wait for the election. I hope they start this shit by July at the latest.

"There ARE some Right-leaning articles, but mostly it's a very Centrist site!"

I sure hope the Dems have the backbone and start impeachment investigations and hearings and end it one week before the election with the impeachment sentencing with all the proof still in people's minds at election day.

FUCK protocol.

Weld just needs to wound Pres Bone Spurs. He needs to go on other shows besides MSNBC. He needs to start really going for the jugular or what is the point?

Our poor WH resident thought D-Day was Double D day and therefore was very sad. Very sad. It was just about people getting blown up. It was YUGE. Lots of dead people. Really bad. Long time ago.

Are we sure he is not developmentally delayed on many levels?

Well, if his development is still delayed I feel safe in saying it's never going to show up.

OK. A digression. A sidebar to the UK visit of the Trump gang. Donnie Jr. And Eric went on a pub crawl and went behind the bar to pull pints for the house. All drinks on them. But there is no way you can ignore the look in Donnie, Jr,'s eyes. He look absofuckinglutely crazy. Talk about "crazy eyes?" He's got 'em. Something is up with him. Maybe he's going to jail? Yes, I saw it in the Daily Mail. I so not apologize for checking out the DM, because I like to look at the pictures.

My, my, Miz Lindz is getting another challenger. No, no, not another Democrat. This challenger is from the Christian far-right. Maybe they have had enough of Miz Lindz' naughtiness, and want to send her a message than sin is unacceptable and she must change her ways.

The sin would be living a life of shame ... and wearing hoop skirts out of season.

Wait, hold up. Don Junior and Eric were bartending at a pub during their visit??! I can't. I really just cannot.

Were they trying to be AOC or something because she literally just did that.

r218 Some dork was in high dudgeon when I pointed out The Gateway Pundit was an extreme rightwing site. He demanded proof, as if he or anyone were incapable of typing The Gateway Pundit in a search engine. First result is "The Gateway Pundit is a politically far-right website."

so, I'm not bashing the Democrats or saying their plan is flawed and I understand things are delayed because the executive branch is fighting every bit that they can BUT Weld obviously knows what he's talking about. I know the majority of Democratic voters will not be happy if Trump is not impeached before the election. People will be annoyed if the House is simply teasing impeachment and then just says "oh it's too close to the election". There is no guarantee we will win in 2020. He needs that impeachment stain before November 2020. I really hope the impeachment inquiry is soon.

r229, you can't accuse the right wingers for being too smart.

R230 is the new "I'm a Liberal Democrat and I voted for Obama twice, BUT Hillary..."

[quote]and wearing hoop skirts out of season.

As if god in all her wisdom would ever create such a season.

R232 uh not at all. I voted for Hillary and wanted her to win. Try again. If you don't see Weld's point about a time crunch if the House doesn't get the impeachment inquiry going soon, then you're blind. As I said I understand Nancy's reasoning for doing things slowly and the executive branch delaying as much as they can but November 2020 is not too far away. The impeachment inquiry and hearings won't happen quickly.

Nevertheless, shit (lots of shit) will come out between now and November 2020.

Here is how I think 2020/2021 plays out...I don't think Trump wins re-election. I think we'll eventually have impeachment hearings and the public will finally recognize the Trump family for the criminal cabal that it is. I think once it is clear that he is losing (probably late summer 2020), you'll see the children start enjoying extended vacations abroad - probably on some middle eastern private island where they begin setting up a home base. At some point, near the inauguration, Trump and family will make a good bye tour internationally. One of them fall "seriously" ill and will be unable to be transported back to the US. The family will need to be near the bedside of "seriously" ill family member and will not be able to attend the inauguration of the new president. Trump's presidency will expire while he is out of the country and out of reach of indictments for a non-president. He and his family will live out their lives outside the jurisdiction of the US government.

I think Trump will kill one of his own kids and blame it on Nancy riling up Liberal terrorists and declare "Marcia Law!" and try to become dictator for life.

That man has no shame and no scruples. A real sociopath.

From CNN's Jim Acosta on Twitter. This shows the contrast between Trump, who is taking Normandy as an Airing of Grievances, and Pelosi, who looks great.

Pelosi declining to criticize Trump while at Normandy today: “I don’t talk about the president while I’m out of the country. That’s my principle.”

r235 You can bet on that. They are uncovering things all the time. Don't worry. They are drip drip dripping things out driving him even more mad.

r23, Bernie conveniently missed the vote on whether to sanction Russia a few months ago. He's totally a Russian asset.

Didn't Bernie also refuse to vote for some Russian sanctions legislation, because they didn't go far enough? How convenient.

Bernie is problematic and I don't understand his appeal. Biden *might* be problematic but not like Bernie. There is something wrong and I can't put my finger on it except the Russian stuff is worrisome.

I wonder if Donald would try faking a stroke for sympathy.

A Maine Senator will be concerned if more revelations come to light....about anything.

r243. That would make him look weak and fragile. No way.

BernBros can suck on that finger after he has pleased Jane.

But don't wave that fricking finger at me.

It's impolite to point.

r244, I bet Susan Collins would be concerned if the real truth about her marriage was exposed.

Susan Collins loves to munch on a nice wedge of hair pie.

[quote]It's impolite to point.

It's impolite to illegally use campaign funds to charter a plane to take your family to Italy to stalk the Pope.

There is smoke around Bernie but not enough to make 50,000 posts claiming he’s a compromised asset.

There are enough deluded Bernheads to make 50,000 posts indicating how he's compromised. Most of those 50,000 posts don't need to be on DL though: YouTube, Twitter, larger scale forums and BBSes will do fine.

Is that you, Jane at R252?

R251, rather.

[quote]Bernie conveniently missed the vote on whether to sanction Russia a few months ago. He's totally a Russian asset.

[quote]Didn't Bernie also refuse to vote for some Russian sanctions legislation, because they didn't go far enough? How convenient.

[quote]There is smoke around Bernie but not enough to make 50,000 posts claiming he’s a compromised asset.

Thanks fellow posters. I just want all that is verifiable at the ready.

There’s also Devine, whose association with the Ukraine may not be criminal but, as stated in the linked article, cynical.

^ That was me, R23 ^

This Deplorable is beyond help.

Slogan cooked up overseas of course. Spoon fed to the rolly polly set.

There is just something about Donald Trump's dirty asshole that these deplorables desperately want to taste.

I can't figure it out.

They want so badly to believe anything's possible, and they *CAN* be rich, and succeed over everyone else and/or them.

Like he can't get any worse and then he does...

The Twittler-In-Chief delayed his Commemoration Speech so he could give an interview with that vile Fox News bitch Laura "White Supremacist" Ingraham. He ranted and raved while sitting right next to the war dead lying in the cemetery. Did he or his staff really think that was a great idea or do they care anymore about the optics?

They don’t like him anymore. He is so 3 years ago.

Now they just like to troll liberals. Deplorables are basically just internet trolls in real life.

They like to "own the libs" yet they cry and moan about how the country is going down the shitter. They keep voting for these assholes who vote against their interests in a blatant manner (like McConnell talking openly about cutting SS and Medicare) yet who is getting "owned"?

The Deplorables realize that it's better to complain about the Socialist Liberals while these damn Socialist Liberals provide you with money and healthcare.

Funny how we don't hear from Deplorables how the 1% are acting in the best interest of the 99%.

Sorry, ... while these damn Socialist Liberals provide them w ith money and healthcare.

Another link to a Deplorable at R257. I guess hoping we will click it and then get enthralled with this Deplorable?

Sick.

I shouldn't be astonished how fervently and regularly these Deplorables flaunt their ignorance or wet-brain damage, but I am. "i have nothing more to add to social media other than my passion for a man who lies and steals every day of his adult life, except for illustrations of bald eagles and blue-eyed Jesus, and spluttering replies when anyone points out that Hillary Clinton would never have hired Stephen Miller to draft immigration policy."

Maybe the astonishment is how most of them manage to use spell-check, or escape encountering any actual news or facts about their Dear Leader despite their access to and frequent posts on the Web.

Illustrations of bald eagles can always be countered with this, r268......

You know what hasn't been posted in a while?

Does no one care about the tapes the judge ordered to be made public from Trump's lawyer to Flynn's lawyer? Seems pretty damning.

Has any reporter ever asked Kevin McCarthy about those comments at R270 on camera? Does he say he was “joking”? They seem to love that excuse.

R257 No Trump 2020

But should be to come:

TRUMP-----FRIED

Politico: Nadler could subpoena Mueller within two weeks

Reuters: Senate Democrats seek Fed probe into Deutsche Bank and Trump

Reuters: U.S. Democrats ask Trump to rethink Independence Day speech plan

No links to The Hill in the last hour?

Troll must be sleeping it off.

Watching Warren last night in the townhall, I think she has it down. I was not a Warren fan before (liked her just didn't think she could win and her time had passed) but now, she has insane clarity, great plans and her stump speeches are hitting on all levels. I remember the moment I felt Obama could be president, W could be president and the current WH resident could be president, and now I have seen it in Warren. She has what it takes. If fact, what I saw last night, I don't see how she is beatable.

Ha-Ha, r278!

r81, no the military is not for Trump. A friend says his daughter who is graduating from the Naval Academy or one of the military institutions says his daughter can't stand Trump and the majority of her classmates feel the same way, but since he is their boss, they keep it very quiet.

[quote]the current WH resident

We have one of those?

A troubled nation will soon be embraced and comforted by a warm, inviting bosom.

That is some scary love comin at ya.

Divisive Troll at R278 think Trump and W "have it to be president" like Obama and Warren.

He's propping up Warren to sow the seeds of dissension amongst gay Democrats.

You don't know the half of it, r283.....

These threads derailed along time ago. How many times have Karen Pence's towel charms been discussed? But no actual talk, like about Flynn firing his lawyers or that he is likely going to withdraw his guilty plea. Don't worry, I am leaving.

R286, I haven’t read anything suggesting that Flynn wants to withdraw his guilty plea. He does want to get a sentence that does not involve jail time, and his previous lawyers were alienating the judge, so he sacked them.

If Hope hicks were gutted, I would say she certainly deserves it.

[quote]Don't worry, I am leaving.

Gosh, will someone please post a pic of Miss Lindzey in a hoop skirt so r286 will stay?

The current Flynn matter has been in the news, but not particularly extensively. As R287 noted, he is changing lawyers. There's little to elaborate about it until there is further movement in court.

R286, surely you can link an article on Flynn and offer your comments. Scolding others because their posts don't fit the narrow spectrum as you define it for yourself, suggests inflexibility, obsession with control, and disdain for wit.

Here, I will do your work for you this time. Don't be so lazy.

Qusay & Uday in Ireland......try not to puke. this really pisses me off. They were asked who was paying for they trip and they just laughed

ABC: On voicemail, Trump's lawyer asks Michael Flynn's attorney for a 'heads up'

Politico: Contempt vote likely after DOJ rejects demand for census docs

Flynn fired his lawyers because he heard "tremendous lawyer" Rudy The Ghoul was coming available.

I think Nancy is heading for impeachment but she is playing optics. Optics matter. She'll get his smelly, shit-stained ass.

[QUOTE] These threads derailed along time ago.

Oh, dear.

Is it possible Pelosi and Nadler are just playing a variation of good cop/bad cop for the press? (but in private have their strategy all mapped out?)

r296 Yes

Pelosi has a strategy. and she is making it work. Do not underestimate her.

Having her play this out while all the candidates and pundits grow more and more forceful in making their cases FOR impeachment is a smart strategy even if, for now, it makes her look weak. Every day, I hear better and more cogent arguments for impeachment from all quarters. More republicans are getting on board like William Weld. They are all pummeling Nancy but all of them are making better cases for impeachment.

[quote] More republicans are getting on board like William Weld. They are all pummeling Nancy but all of them are making better cases for impeachment.

Talk about optics.

SURE, they are ALL calling for impeachment.... and when it comes down to it, I guarantee you every single one of those Rethugs would vote against it.

Nancy knows what the fuck she's up against and what she's doing, thank you very much.

“Nervous Nancy” couldn’t possibly be a more transparent form of projection on Trump’s part. He’s running scared and I love it.

r300 Of course she does. She is in control.

r301 He is always projecting. This won't stick because, for so many reasons, but because his nicknames have lost their appeal. They're stupid, moronic and he's jumped the shark on them.

Hi Russian trolls! привет, тролли!

First and foremost, мой член, твой мудак.

Secondly, regarding WWII, the Soviet Union wasn't able to do shit against Hitler without a massive loan of American military equipment. They taught you that in school, right?

Then there was that inconvenient buddy pact that Stalin had with Hitler until he invaded.

And the millions of Jews, Poles and Ukrainians the Soviet Union killed in the gulags.

Don’t forget the famine, R304.

Ooops! The miracle of collective farming that killed 30 million Ukrainians.

Thanks, R305.

Russian trolls know what a shithole their country is and always has been. Why do you think they are trolling all the time for cheap vodka?

R236, I said nearly the same thing to my partner the other evening. Perhaps Ivanka will return to Dubrovnik with her good gal pal Wendi Deng.

[quote] ABC: On voicemail, Trump's lawyer asks Michael Flynn's attorney for a 'heads up'

Last week, prosecutors filed a complete transcript of the voicemail after they were ordered by Sullivan. Dowd and others have complained that the full transcript, which shows him telling Flynn’s attorneys not to give up “confidential information,” demonstrates that Mueller selectively edited the voicemail as it appears in his 448-page report.

Dowd called Mueller’s report a “fraud” and accused him of making “a false statement” in his report by editing down the transcript of the voicemail in a way that altered the “tenor and contents” of his contacts with Kelner.

[quote]On Impeachment: “dirty, filthy and disgusting word,”

Trump is Trying Desperately to get Nancy to start impeachment proceedings. He has already been guaranteed by the Right that they will never pass it so it will go no where and Nancy will no longer have it to hold over his head. People need to trust Nancy that she knows what she is doing.

She Knows

[quote] She Knows

I know. And I am very concerned about that.

R309, but now that we’ve heard the whole voicemail, we know that what Dowd said is not true.

We need to make our lists for 2020. Gym Jordan, Meadows, and King from Iowa in the House, are on mine along with McConnell, Graham, Cornyn, and Collins. We have to protect the Democratic Senators from Red States. Doug Jones is coming up in Alabama. Now if we're lucky, Roy Moore the Pedo will be his opponent again. Roy is running and Trump is really pissed off at him.

While we are preoccupied with Trump, the Republican strategists are working hard to see which members of the House and the Senate are vulnerable. They are going to have very aggressive strategy. We also have to look at the state legislatures. They do the redistricting. Redistricting is an issue in 2020. For example, I was dancing on the ceiling when I hear that Scott Walker lost in Wisconsin. But the Wisconsin state legislature is Republican and they are making life hell for the Democratic governor. De Santis in Florida is another one. He stole that election. There's evidence N.C. Florida and other states' elections are tainted. So Support Eric Holder and fight voter fraud.

What did Ivanka and gang even do while they were in London? Did any of them get to meet any of the royal family? What were they all dressed up for and where were they going? I think someone should open up an investigation into why the taxpayers paid for LARA FUCKING TRUMP to go on that trip. It's absurd.

Nervous Nancy? More like Dumb Donald.

[quote]What did Ivanka and gang even do while they were in London?

The did a pub crawl. We paid for it.

But they had a great time!

Apparently Kilimnik has been outed as an US State Department asset in the Russian government. Speculation is that Trump administration has leaked information to a report at The Hill to ensure that he can't provide any further details on his role as a go-between for Manafort and Oleg V. Deripaska. Article below is about Kilimnik - not the article in the Hill (which I don't like to link to). Story is complex and difficult to follow but could be big if Trump/Barr are burning intel assets in order to protect Trump.

Putin playing chicken. I assume Dump will not rebuke Mother Russher:

I hope the CIA is soon done with Trump in their own special way.

R321, oh, definitely.

Remember when Trump suggested a "Second Amendment solution for Hillary" during the campaign? I can't believe there was not more outrage about him suggesting that someone assassinate his rival, a former First Lady, U.S. Senator, and Secretary of State.

Sean Hannity went off the deep end last night on Nancy Polsi's comment about wanting Trump in jail. He freaked out about wanting a political opponent jailed. There is no irony in the republican party. They are evil and they know they are evil.

Newsweek: Is Rudy Giuliani Leaving Donald Trump's Legal Team? President's Lawyer Says He's Working to Finish Post-Mueller 'Cleanup'

R324 So LOCK HER UP, chanted by Dump and his Deplorables didn't ring any bells?

Vile.

FCI, I really hope you're able to post today!

[quote]Gosh, will someone please post a pic of Miss Lindzey in a hoop skirt ...

Well, if you have insist.

Washington Post: ‘These boys were on a holiday’: Trump family members promote themselves, and businesses, on European trip

What a fucking waste of time at R328.

My paper carried a column by David Brooks today. He's the moderate conservative who sees the writing on the wall for the GOP. It's a good read, gave me hope.

R330 are you a cross-dressing Republican? Then, understand.

Is Trump's artificial goose of the economy reaching its inevitable end?

WaPo's Heather Long:

US economy added just 75,000 jobs in May. Very disappointing. It's below expectations of 180k and a big dip from 263k jobs in April.

Unemployment rate stayed at 3.6%

Annual wage growth = Big disappointment at just 3.1%

Not to mention all those numbers will probably be adjusted down.

They want to soften the blow.

r332 I have 330 blocked for good reason. I suggest you do the same. I only block for two reasons- obvious trolls or insane pop star stans who go apeshit attacking and blocking me if I defend the person they insult. One of my attackers from earlier this week was actually because I defended a singer from insane bashing. Apparently I interrupted their fun by defending the singer and the reaction to it was out of this world nuts. They also post in this thread so they are blocked for one of those two reasons.

r333 The big corps, I think, hold back hiring so he can have huge months. I remember reading somewhere how they were sitting on huge amounts of capital under Obama waiting on a GOP president.

r327 I am babe! I'm always posting I usually don't tag my posts with FCI.

How a renegade Chinese billionaire became a center of D.C. intrigue:

Guo Wengui allegedly offered a pair of conservative operatives $9 million for dirt on his enemies’ porn habits and out-of-wedlock children. Now he’s suing.

Y'all are behind the times. The Investigation into the Mueller Investigation is the new hot story.

Among other oddities being uncovered in the Mueller report is Mueller's characterization of Konstantin Kliminik as a Russian agent when in fact he is a known US Intelligence source.

Mueller won't talk to Congress because the Republicans have dozens of questions for which Mueller has no answers.

R337, does Trump's dirty asshole really taste that good?

R338, you need to wake up to the fact that Mueller failed in his mission to drive Trump out of office.

r338 That's a troll and yes, it loves Pres Bone Spurs' poorly wiped ass.

Why would Mueller out a US intelligence source in his report?

What country are the deplorables rooting for anyway?

R339 is also a troll.

In answer to R341:

TRump Country.

Despite some education, they are stupid. They only know what they hear on FOX. It’s an aural addiction. TRump freaked because he couldn’t get it in England. (It’s probably also why he felt compelled to give Looney Laura an attack Americans interview while pretending to mourn our war dead.)

How could an American asset also be a Russian Agent? If the earth is round, why is it flat everywhere you stand? If global warming exists why is it so cold this year? Block the trolls

r342 Yep!

It is Friday so what will drop today? Fridays are usually, for some reason, big days for news to drop.

I saw a FB post where a deplorable voter said they didn't want to talk about him anymore but wanted to make it clear that although they weren't voting for him next time they were not voting for any "libtard" either. Of course, he said both sides suck. I responded that if you never blame one side for anything and always blame both, nothing will ever get done because no on is held accountable. He said he agreed with the Dems on a lot but "I ain't voting for baby killers. Now they actually kill them once they are born if something is wrong with them." I said, "You mean the kids they are letting die in our custody at the border?" He just replied, "Not even the same thing!!!!!!!!!!!!". I just had to laugh.

Daily Beast: Trump Tells Fox’s Laura Ingraham He’s ‘Holding’ Up D-Day Ceremony for Her, Congratulates Her on Ratings

r346 There are no words. If any ANY Democrat or fuck, even republican back in normal times, would have said that, BUH- BYE career.

Why is Laura Ingraham so angry? She's a rich white woman with nothing but privilege. There is nothing she doesn't have and nothing she can't take.

Is it because she's a closeted dyke?

Remember when Trickle Down Don outed an Israeli spy?

During his meeting with Mr Lavrov and the Russian ambassador Sergei Kislyak, Mr Trump is now said to have revealed the details of a the covert Israeli operation that exposed Isis’ plans to create new laptop bombs and smuggle them aboard commercial airliners.

US reporters were barred from the meeting and the only images that documented it were taken by Russia’s TASS news agency.:

NYT: Trump Allows High-Tech U.S. Bomb Parts to Be Built in Saudi Arabia

r348 She isn't angry. She traffics in what all conservatives do- anger for cash. I've even thought of trying to start a youtube channel so I could make a lot of money by adopting an angry conservative persona (is there any other?). I couldn't live with myself because I would have to say horrible things.

There is so much money to be made off these rubes. Anger sells and I don't fault the likes of her from exploiting that. Like Coulter, who writes horrible things about liberals, yet goes on cocaine fueled binges with her liberal friends all the time( I've often wondered if Coulter's schtick isn't completely fabricated).

No different than evangelicals, who give tons of money to there "preachers" who live extravagant lifestyles (as Jesus would want, I presume) yet they see nothing wrong with it and keep giving.

Lots of money made off of the angry conservatives.

I don't use that word r348. But, her brother calls her a monster.

[quote] Mueller failed in his mission to drive Trump out of office.

That was neither his task nor his mission.

Here's something to think about. It actually makes me f eel better. The International Intelligence community has shared a lot of what they know about Trump with their leaders. So the British, the French, the Germans, Canadians, etc.etc.etc all know even more than we do. And you also can be assured that Macron, May, Corbyn, Merkel and a host of others, have all read the Mueller report and could probably fill in a lot of the redactions. So my guess is that while everyone behaved correctly and politely in Europe for all the memorials, etc of Normandy, they find Trump repulsive, they probably acknowledge that he committed treason against his own country, and they look at him as a 3rd rate pawn of Putin's. I'm certain he felt the chilly attitudes from them. I saw a photo of him and Macron walking together and there was no love, no cordiality in the expressions. He met with Nigel Farage while he was there. Farage and Bannon have been wreaking havoc all over Europe. Look at Trump in all the pictures with his pout on His chin jutting out and that nasty sneering expression. he's a pariah among world leaders.

Did you just fall off a turnip truck, R353? Of course driving Trump out of office was the whole point and purpose of the Mueller probe.

Will also add that as far as staff goes Trump brought the dregs with him. And that says a lot considering how awful most of his appointees are. Huckabee, Conway, Stephen Miller, John Bolton, Mnuchin, not even Mike Pompeo, his chief ass licker would join him. And how do you think the rest of the world leaders feel about hi giving weapons technology to the Saudis?

[quote]This is a call a criminal defense attorney makes if he has a guilty client. 100%.

R335 FCI, I appreciate your posts. Thanks.

As a SC voter, am fine with the LG posts. There's a 2020 Senate race, and LG's political behavior, along with the cartoonish depictions may serve as part of voter 'information'.. It's messaging. LG is not good for democracy, justice, and the environment. Exclusive closeted gay rights is not a recognized, economically and politically entitled category.

[quote]On Impeachment: “dirty, filthy and disgusting word”

It really isn't, it's just a neutral word describing a process. However, because Trump has redefined projection for all times, he's imposing what he (fathoms deep) knows himself to be, upon a mere word.

Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

r358 Beto almost unseated Cruz. How are the average center-right voters feeling about LG? Suburban republican women? Whoever runs against him needs to have something of a Beto swag.

Not Mueller-related, but just more of Trump's abuse of power. Prompted by a whistle blower inside the Koch organization, the IRS opened a criminal investigation of income tax evasion by Koch brother Bill Koch in 2016. After Trump took office, with the IRS under control of Steve Mnuchin, the investigation was suddenly dropped. Bill Koch was the only Koch brother to support Trump in the 2016 election.

r361 I don't buy he was the only one to support him in 2016. Maybe the only one who openly supported but none of them voted for Hillary nor Johnson no matter what their lying mouths say.

They can afford to buy everyone.

Remember Obama IRS scandal, when an employee at IRS did their job. And what about Niger. When a soldier was left behind in pieces and when his body came back, Turd was playing golf with Miss Lindsey. Oh yeah, then he lied about calling the families and then he lied about what he said and and and and...

I think the Dems will get more votes. But it will be hacking and voter election tampering that will give the vote to Trump. He has everything to lose if he loses. They will stop at nothing.

R360 Many Republicans don't like Graham, including a sizeable portion of very conservative evangelicals. Like Cruz in Texas, he is not personally likeable by many. The main challenger to LG will be Jamie Harrison. He's African-American and a former Chair of the SC Democratic Party. He's been an officer with the national DNC. He's been an aide to Congressman James Clyburn. Harrison has never held elected office, and has been an established D.C. lobbyist. Harrison will garner the Democratic black.vote, and a minority of the white vote that are Democrats and those independents turned-off by Trump and Graham's sychophant antics. Republicans hold a majority in the state, and Graham has very deep campaign finance cash from power donors and special interests. Harrison's potential is unclear. However, he may not exhibit the charisma and popularism Beto displayed. But, if Harrison can garner the Stacey Abrams or Andrew Gillum type enthusiasm, he can make it more competitive than one may think.

I was wondering why "The Moon" is the second top Twitter trend in the UK right now. And here it is.

Trump thinks the moon is part of fucking Mars.

Reuters: .S. House panel sets hearing on Mueller report counterintelligence 'lessons'

[quote]Trump thinks the moon is part of fucking Mars.

He also apparently doesn't know NASA is a civilian organization.

I have dropped a couple friends and several family members because of their continued support of Trump. What's so funny is how persecuted they all act now about it. One now-former friend has taken to regularly sending me messages on Facebook saying how intolerant I am and how she never knew "how much of a dick you truly were." My sister left off a Trump-supporting cousin from her wedding invites and blocked her from all social media and the cousin is making a huge fuss about it and desperately trying to get an invitation. It's so funny how these precious little snowflakes cannot handle the consequences of their undying support of dear leader.

I'm already assuming that most of them will try to pretend that none of this happened when he is no longer in office. Good luck with that.

r366 Is he the only legit challenger? I think there may be a real chance to oust Miss Thang. I have no doubt Beto won but there was fuckery galore with voting machine BS. There has to be someone dynamic to challenge Miss Thang.

r370 Same shit in my family. What we have tried to explain to them is that we aren't sickened they voted GOP although we are but we didn't have this reaction when they voted for McCain or Romney. Pres Bone Spurs is next level horrible. Half my family is just beyond baffled that otherwise smart people just turn a blind eye to being lied to, to the insanity that comes from him daily, to the scum he puts in cabinet, and other, positions. They ignore so much and just call everything they don't like fake news. They will never admit being snookered. They got conned so they've dug in even harder. We don't ever directly engage them or care what they think. They have to live with their votes but he was a bridge too far for us. I don't want anyone in the future like their kids, to think I supported this thing. Because history is not going to be kind and I can't wait to tell all my relatives in the future how this Uncle or cousin did NOT support in any way that thing.

Politico: Analysis: Trump dropping back into harsh reality after royal treatment abroad

CBS: Senate Intelligence Committee sets date for Donald Trump Jr.'s testimony

There is a media blackout in deploraville. Many of them can’t afford cable, so the ones who aren’t watching fox get all their info from a siloed Internet.

Twitter, Facebook and YouTube push the right wing radical posts into their feeds. It’s all they see.

It’s like North Korea.

So when we hear something crazy, they hear it as something else entirely.

The rethugs found a way to silo off a part of the country.

We should be dropping leaflets at this point.

R371 Harrison has the Democratic Party apparatus behind him. His only Democratic Party challenger is a college economics instructor & black female, who ran for state legislator in Georgia and lost. Some of her views are external to the mainstream. Her support is not registering.

Speaking of Faux (won't link):

“Nervous Nancy Pelosi is a disgrace to herself and her family for having made such a disgusting statement, especially since I was with foreign leaders overseas. There is no evidence for such a thing to have been said,” Trump tweeted Friday.:

“Nervous Nancy & Dems are getting Zero work done in Congress and have no intention of doing anything other than going on a fishing expedition to see if they can find anything on me — both illegal & unprecedented in U.S. history,” he continued. “There was no Collusion — Investigate the Investigators! Go to work on Drug Price Reductions & Infrastructure!”

“I think she’s a disgrace. I actually don’t think she’s a talented person. I’ve tried to be nice to her because I would have liked to have gotten some deals done,” Trump said. “She’s incapable of doing deals, she’s a nasty, vindictive, horrible person, the Mueller report came out, it was a disaster for them.”

When asked about Pelosi’s statement, her spokeswoman, Ashley Etienne, said the speaker had a “productive meeting about the state of play with [Special Counsel Robert] Mueller report. They agreed to keep all options on the table and continue to move forward with an aggressive hearing and legislative strategy, as early as next week, to address the president’s corruption and abuses of power uncovered in the report.”

This really made me laugh!

[quote] We should be dropping leaflets at this point.

Or bringing back ol' fashioned Chautauquas: The Chautauqua brought entertainment and culture for the whole community, with speakers, teachers, musicians, showmen, preachers, and specialists of the day.[1] Former U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt was quoted as saying that Chautauqua is "the most American thing in America."

Offer barbecues and speeches by paunchy, grizzled decoys in trucker hats in which reality is delivered to the rural masses. They're happy to gather weekly for church, so getting them to a chatauqua wouldn't be hard, especially if there were candy and entertainment for the kids. No identity politics, no 'healthfood harangues', have the presenters act, look and sound like them, but sweet-tongued and persuasive enough to stand a chance of converting/curing the Deplorables by explaining to them how they're on their way to more economic anxiety.

r378, I liked:

Jared and Ivanka are “haunting Buckingham Palace.”

“Yes, listen children, sometimes at night if you listen closely you can hear them having no business being there.” — @StephenAtHome https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephen-colbert-mocks-ivanka-trump-and-jared-kushners-uk-trip-they-have-no-business-being-there …

There are a lot of rural people who are open to Democratic policies. As many of you have noted, they often don't get a lot of news. The irony of his voters are, they are economically liberal but socially conservative. Once enough of them start realizing every single thing the GOP does has hurt them, and how liberal economic policies actually would make their lives vastly better, I think a sea change will happen unlike anything we've seen in our lifetimes. I'm happy we have so many candidates because they are all out there giving our policies it is going to start to sink in for enough. The media will never say this race is anything other than close and keep talking about that poll where a majority *thinks* he will be re-elected as if that matters. But that recent TX poll showing 6 or so Dems within 1 to 4 points of him, with Biden beating him by 4, should be alarming. Beto really put into place an infrastructure and enthusiasm for Dems, TX is in play. If TX is in play, AZ and GA are in play.

I saw the GOP thinks they can flip some blue states like NM and NV and CO but where are they getting that from? What data has shown those states are moving anywhere towards the GOP?

Did you see the woman in Michigan who was interviewed after the Justin Amash town hall? "I get all my news from conservative outlets and I've never heard of the Mueller report." Well, at least she admitted it.

I'm from the midwest and still spend a lot of time in red country. For rural voters it all boils down to two things: abortion and guns. They are afraid that democrats are going to murder their "babies" and take away their guns. Everything else is noise. They don't understand trade or economic policies. They believe democrats are big city, educated folks who want to murder babies and take away their guns.

And...they are afraid of black and brown folks - except for those that play on their state's college football team.

[quote]They believe democrats are big city, educated folks who want to murder babies and take away their guns.

Well, they're half right.

They think Democrats don't own guns. They're so wrong. Plenty do. Just as plenty conservatives don't.

Many are bitter they've stayed in their small, rural towns wondering why they don't have jobs. It is a sad situation and I wish we didn't allow 90% of our money to flow to the top 10%. The GOP are to blame for 90% + for that. Many "liberals" or moderates moved to towns and cities where there were jobs to be had. So they are vilified for taking matters into their own hands? It seems to me the narrative of the conservative "pull yourself up by your bootstraps, I don't need any help" actually applies to liberals and moderates.

That’s not true in my experience. Those issues go right out the window when economic issues arise.

We'll see with the farmers and tariffs. They may not vote for Trump but they will vote republican down ticket with a libertarian choice for president. No liberal democrats.

Deplorables say they agree with the GOP on economic issues yet when you ask them issue by issue, they usually fall in line with liberals on economics. I think they are finally waking up (fingers crossed) to the tax cutting scam.

Rob Mueller would have made a great Dick Tracy.

I am beginning to wonder if some of these numbers are being falsified. It just seems too good to be true and Especially coming from Trump. i have suspected it for some time.

Trump is losing his ability to speak correctly. When he said Markle was nasty I knew he meant that he didn't know Markle had said nasty things about him. everyone blew that way out of proportion. Now he is saying Mars is a part of the moon......𝑻𝒉𝒆𝒚 𝒔𝒉𝒐𝒖𝒍𝒅 𝒃𝒆 𝒇𝒐𝒄𝒖𝒔𝒆𝒅 𝒐𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒎𝒖𝒄𝒉 𝒃𝒊𝒈𝒈𝒆𝒓 𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒏𝒈𝒔 𝒘𝒆 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒅𝒐𝒊𝒏𝒈, 𝒊𝒏𝒄𝒍𝒖𝒅𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝑴𝒂𝒓𝒔 (𝒐𝒇 𝒘𝒉𝒊𝒄𝒉 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑴𝒐𝒐𝒏 𝒊𝒔 𝒂 𝒑𝒂𝒓𝒕), 𝑫𝒆𝒇𝒆𝒏𝒔𝒆 𝒂𝒏𝒅 𝑺𝒄𝒊𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒆! but I think he means that we are still working on doing things with the moon, not that the moon is part of Mars. Again being blown out of proportion. If we don't stop we are going to be as bad as the right. We need to pick our fights and tearing apart his misstatements doesn't help. He is doing much bigger things that do need to be brought to light instead of the way he speaks.

r392 Yes, he does so much we need to focus on the truly bad things not whether he said Markle was nasty which he clearly didn't mean the way it was made out to be. That said, I don't think he knows anything about anything anymore. His sentences are so mangled he does seem to be incapable of a cogent thought. Something is medically wrong with him. We already know he is mental.

but r392, it speaks to the fact he is not mentally fit to hold the office. Remember the 25th amendment? Sounds like you are advising we ignore his obvious dementia.

R392= concern trolling at it's finest. "If we don't stop criticizing Trump's tweets, we're going to be as bad as Trump, whose policies are actually killing children." Nonsense. Trump's tweets highlight his deteriorating mental state, which produces his irrational policies.

It was an enormous pleasure to block R392. What a moron.

reading comprehension works well when reading r395. I never said to completely stop criticizing his tweets just the ones that are being taken out of context. I think it is far more important to talk about his holding up the Normandy ceremony so HE could do an interview.

If it was discussed that he was deteriorating it would be one thing but they are taking his words out of context and talking about that instead.

r396 do you think I care that you blocked me lol

r396 I did not see what you saw in his post. He was just pointing out that, in fact, his remarks about Markle were taken out of context. Am I missing something in his previous posts that made you block him?

Got money and something big to cover up?

BETTER CALL 1-800-BILL-BARR

Re R361, is Bill the covertly gay Koch brother who collects etchings?

I don't want to have to decipher what the President of the United States means when he says something. He has a duty to the our country to be crystal clear in the meaning of the words he chooses.

Can I just say...I'm fucking sick and tired of referring to them as "Social conservatives." They're racists, homophobes, misogynists, etc. e tc. They disgust me. THey want all the benefits of being a citizen and ignore the responsibilities.

The future Sénatrice celebrating Cinco de Mayo back in the '80s.

CBS: House Democrats claim White House tried to block Kobach interview

we're due for a Friday night news dump. Hopefully. I'm ready for something bombshelltastic

NYT: New Election Security Bills Face a One-Man Roadblock: Mitch McConnell

Daily Beast: Nader’s Phones Had Child Porn—and Communications With a Crown Prince, Feds Say

Politico: New subpoena for Roger Stone's former aide offers glimpse at ongoing investigation

We all need to put way more pressure, that includes you media, on the GOP. They must be held accountable. They need to feel the heat. Pres Bone Spurs seems like he is teflon but they are not. The media is all over the Dems ass for impeachment-fine. But go after the GOP hard on their enabling and the shit like the kids dying at the border in OUR custody.

Every single day, every week, Trump is going to be told that there is more and more information coming out, more and more investigations by all sorts of media, and State of NY or state of Virginia. He will not be able to plug up all the Reports are that he was seething while in Normandy, and it was before he heard what Pelosi said.

When the hell will the media cover his private meeting with Farage? That's huge. It's as if Roosevelt had a secret meeting with Goebbles .

r411 His private meeting with Putin is still scandalous asf.

And his private meeting with Kislyak.

The moon is part of Mars, Donald?

Mercury, or a later Saturn^

Donald's brain is in outer space so..........

Sure Lindsey, was it all fun what you were told at the golf outings?

^Perhaps the gratitude is that Trump allowed Lindsey to swing off from the 'ladies tees' for each hole.

Trump now crowing tariffs are called of because a new deal has been set. Him creating a potential crisis then backing down and calling it a victory when the crisis that he almost created was averted is getting a little old. Plus, him using threats and bullying as his main negotiation tactic at some point is going to blow up in his and the country's face.

R419 That's all he does these days when he is essentially a useless President who can't work with Congress to accomplish anything. So he abuses his executive power to force the script, act out the drama, and claim "victory"! Being a reality show president is easy!

He LOST. And he LOST BIG.

The Mexicans figured it out. They told Trump he had "pene grande". Mexican imports from the U S. will now be half price.

This is how you know Mueller is not a good guy..Flynn is a huge criminal, yet Mueller just wanted to let him go, no jail time. Mueller is more on Trumps side...he will allow Trump to take a shit on him and us. Mueller is a spineless, good for nothing.

R423 Mueller is no longer relevant, though his Report still is. The Dems need to step up and go to bat. Anything less is just conceding defeat in the face of massive corruption!

Any time I see the word Dems in a post, I know it's a troll. You would think they would know better. And the Democrats are investigating the shit out of Trump and his band of crooks. And no we won't start impeachment proceedings. Yet.

The same posters seem intent on badmouthing Mueller, too. All part of Trump's strategy.

As much as we laud these threads for providing a ‘real-time’ documentation of history as it occurs, I think it’s equally valuable as a real-time example of trolling and Russian attempts to stifle or divert discussion. The tactics are truly becoming so embarrassingly obvious. ‘Mueller reported. There’s no need to continue these threads.’ ‘Why do we need to keep posting thread titles?’ ‘Mueller is worthless.’ ‘Pelosi is ineffective.’ And so on. It’s going to be fun to call out the trolls in 2020 when Kamala has a Pizzagate or Mayor Pete has hacked nudes. And the GOP expects a scandal that will turn the tide and EVERY PERSON in America says ‘You didn’t care about Trump for the past 4 enabling years, so why should we care about this?’ And meets the manufactured scandal with a collective shrug.

R335 I heard the same thing about big corporations holding back hiring and investing until repubs were back in power so they would get the credit for the uptick. I have no doubt it's true.

Remember the repub outcry over Obama's stimulus program, the American Recovery Act? My agency got funds, it boosted the local economy, and Obama got blasted from the right over it. Now, nary a peep over the billion dollar bribe to farmers after trump's tariff's tanked their profits.The gop are lying hypocrites.

r428 Yep. The donor class will hold onto enough capital then Aug-Oct 2020 will see booming hiring. It wouldn't surprise me if they go overboard and the numbers are insane like 500,000 or more.

There is no doubt corps have been and are sitting on huge amounts of capital. It is a blackmail/enticement scheme. They held back a lot during Obama. Even holding back, things were rapidly improving. This is a huge scandal the media, owned by these very same corps, will not report to the extent they should.

Thanks, R429. It's good information but really disheartening to hear. Fooling the unschooled the way they do is unconscionable.

I know we're all petrified at the possibility of Orange Shitstain winning another term.

However...

Given current polling trends, there is some possibility that Trumpito will get absolutely, positively [bold]SHELLACKED[/bold] in 2020. Perhaps enough of a margin that it would be difficult to hide fudged vote tallies.

[quote] a useless President who can't work with Congress to accomplish anything. So he abuses his executive power to force the script, act out the drama, and claim "victory"! Being a reality show president is easy!

Yep. : 'I've Got A Pen And I've Got A Phone'

r431 That is very, very possible and plausible.

The orange idiot is badmouthed hourerly, constantly. Eventually he will be arrested and sent to prison...you would think he would be wise enough to resign now, before they find out about his more serious crimes. Someday this man will be known as thecworse thing that ever happened to this country. I am hoping he will be the end of the Republican party...the most evil organization in the world.

I hate Trump with every fiber of my being and I can see when someone is working with my enemy and stabbing me in the back, Mueller is that person. All this crap about him being a good man? No, he is not a good man, he is a spineless, moron, letting our democracy slip away. Wake up fools and see that you are being forsaken.

That was predictable and boring, r435: 1/10.

Think DeSantis team is jumping ship because somethings about to come out? Hmmm

Also in more Florida vote tampering news:

Could these the latest news in Florida vote tampering and DeSantis team quitting in the last 24 hours be related to the latest in the roger stone/Andrew miller grand jury case?

Florida is run by corrupt Republicans, they will work with Russians because they really have no problem with it.

If Fox can't get any worse, they manage to do so.

Lou Dobbs with Diamond & Silk.

Really Lou, these are your Fox Nation insider experts on tariffs and Alec Baldwin?

Diamond and Silk are a disgrace. Buffoons.

The Mnuchins leaving dinner with an entourage of of security using at least four mega SUVs. Don't believe they were dining at The Red Hen.

Are taxpayers paying for these extravagant excesses by cabinet members? And government accounting offices and Congress see no problem with this?

There is a drought in Central America and people are starving...why doesn't the media ever mention that as the major problem that it is?

Because it involves brown people.

Also ZERO information on who is funding these caravans. There are no reporters on the ground because the risk is too high, a dozen reporters have been killed in Latin America in the past year. The entire Latin American media establishment is completely politically corrupt including Univision and Telemundo. Their reporting of every single issue is ridiculous.

Yeah, and who funded the exodus of folks out of Sarajevo . . . ?

Afun week of hearings coming up and Rep. Doug Collins has drawn up a "manual of decorum" listing words not tobe used...seriously. Have at him/them Dems! I'd use ass-carrot or shit-gibbon

"On June 10 the House Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing on the Mueller report. Ahead of that, GOP Rep. Doug Collins has sent a letter to Jerry Nadler citing the “manual of decorum” with a list of words he wants Nadler to ban members from using about Trump during the hearing"

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Diamond and Silk sound like a shitty 80's R & B group that had that one really annoying hit.

It is so telling how some voters will say how awful, terrible, alarming Pres Bone Spurs is yet say they may vote for him because the economy is doing fine.

We've lost our way as a country. This man has done so many despicable things even standing back as we were attacked by a hostile country over our election yet, eh, as long as the economy is ok, so what, who cares.

What happened??????

The brain dead trumptards figure as long as they aren't getting hurt, he must be hurting black and brown people.

As soon as these white trash losers feel the pain, they will scream for help.

The economy is holding on by a thread and when it collapses, it will come suddenly and without warning.

R451, you're overlooking people's debt levels. When you live paycheck to paycheck, everything becomes a calculus... paying for food vs. utility bills, student loan debt vs. local taxes, etc... When the calculus becomes, I can vote for bland candidate X who is going to raise taxes, which is yet another debt, or I can vote for stinky Trump who won't raise my taxes... what does the debt calculus add up to?

At this point, Trump is a known entity. There's no reason to expect a second term would be different than the first term. So people can plug their own experiences into the calculus.... am I doing better under Trump than I was four years ago or not? If you're a farmer or a manufacturer hit by tariffs, probably worse. If you were unemployed four years ago but now you've got a job, probably better. It all goes into the debt calculus.

And yet those stupid farmers have stated they will vote for this traitor even though they are bleeding money and at risk of losing their farms because "guns, babies and jeebus".

Some people are too goddamned dumb to live

most Trump voters will still vote for him. I think he'll lose a few thousand here and there but a lot of them believe in the repub cause and will think they must sacrifice themselves and that eventually things will work out rather than just vote for Democrat.

IMO the biggest difference in 2020 will be if more people who stayed home in 2016 come out to vote. We did see a huge increase in the 2018 midterms but unfortunately it wasn't enough in key states to hold and win more Senate seats. Liberals notoriously don't show up for midterms so I was happy we got the House. I expect a lot more typically apolitical liberals to come out in 2020 and that could be difference

The Senate. The Democrats need to concentrate on the Senate and keeping the House majority. Even if Trump does get re-elected, if the Democrats have the majority in both branches, he's a goner.

The Deplorables will say one thing, but do another. They say they still support Trump, but they know they are better off wi th a socialist Liberal than someone who played them. They will stay at home, but never admit that they a) were wrong to trust Trump and b) the no longer support him (voting, buying his merchandise, show up at his rallies, punch a liberal, etc.).

Also, death. 4 years is a long time for old Republicans to die off. And young liberals to become eligible to vote. Concentrate on motivating the youth vote! Only one party is trying to do anything about student debt, gun control, climate change, etc...

how many deplorables will have likely died between 2016 and 2020? or 2018 and 2020? and compared to liberals?

According to the "debt calculus" people ought to running away from Trump in droves. The tariffs are something we will pay for. The trade wars are something we will pay for. The average person will continue to pay higher taxes over the next three years. Corporations are continuing to ship jobs overseas and soybeans...the ones that were planted...are rotting in the fields while our farmers are going bankrupt. In fact there are tens of thousands of acres of arable farmland underwater right now in the United States and the farmers have missed their growing season...as of more than six weeks ago. So do not be surprised when food prices go sky high. Climate change will begin to assert itself with food shortages in the very near future. Also a virus in China has affected pork. THey a re killing diseased pigs all over Southeast Asia where the disease is spreading, and if you think we don't get pork from them, or that these viruses do not spread you're delusional.

r453 That argument doesn't hold up. People actually are paying more in taxes due to the tax cut for the rich (we are again subsidizing the rich) , the farmers are getting crushed, manufacturers are getting crushed and we are paying more for items as a result. It comes out to the largest tax hike in history.

Yes, he is a known quantity and he has shown to be stunningly incompetent and dangerous for the economy.

Wilbur Ross benefits......

Trump's / the GOP's / Fox News media's scapegoating will not work once the tarriffs hike up the prices.

Any DLers: ever been in a selfie taken by Mother's hubby?

Can't Kentucky dump this in 2020?

The thing about Diamond and Silk that makes me happy is knowing they are being paid way less than white employees of FOX.

R461, I think you're looking at the tax hike from a global perspective. The debt calculus is all personal. Is my paycheck more under Trump or less? If candidate X is elected, what impact will that have on my paycheck? If my taxes go up, will I lose my house?

That's what paycheck to paycheck is all about - tightrope walking. How many government workers couldn't afford food after losing a couple of paychecks? Now imagine if their taxes went up substantially - how do they pay for food then? That's the debt calculus.

I bet the Deplorables are so very happy, and ready to vote for Trump again, after Trump called of the tariff resolution for Mexico. After all their glorious leader knows best, right?

R468 well with Fox branding it as Trump "winning" by "making deals", the idiotic deplorables believe that shit. They think "he's getting stuff done" and "Democrats are all talk while Trump is all action"

it's insane but they believe it

I hope independents finally see through it by now

Politico: Trump, Pelosi trade barbs on Mexico migration, USMCA trade deal

"This is an historic night! @realDonaldTrump has announced that he has cut a deal to 'greatly reduce, or eliminate, Illegal Immigration coming from Mexico and into the United States,'" Schumer tweeted.

"Now that that problem is solved, I'm sure we won't be hearing any more about it in the future," Schumer added.

NYT: Liberals Begin Lining Up Young Judges for a Post-Trump Surge

is there a reason why Democrats and liberals didn't pay attention or make federal judge picks a priority over the last 20 years? I'm not talking about McConnell blocking Obama's picks. I mean the Democrats and liberals making it a priority in campaigns telling their base "hey we have to win to get judges to help progress in this country".

In 2016 1 of the appeals Trump had with evangelicals was court picks. I didn't hear that kind of fervor among Democrats and liberals.

I hope now that changes. Democrats need to make it as much of a priority as anything

r467 Please. The only side who is good for the paychecks of those you described is the Left. If those living paycheck to paycheck want things to get worse, vote for the Right and let the rich suck up even more of their money. Period.

I don't care if the deplorables want to continue being snookered and conned by this man. You can't fix stupid and I don't care what they think or how they feel.

Apparently, the terms of this Mexico agreement were reached months ago.

Womp-womp.

Some days I feel like getting thousands of bumper stickers made that say

Grab 'em by the pussy! Trump/Pence 2020

And send them to my friends in purple states to have them plaster them everywhere.

Would it help or hurt the eventual Democratic nominee?

He is such a con man. He looks like he wears a diaper and it is always full.

The border situation has worsened under his watch. He should get the blame for that because he IS to blame for it. We didn't have this when Obama was president. His policies are making things worse, not better. Conservatives will never want to fix the border situation. They use it to push out votes. That should be a Dem talking points. Dems need talking points.

message discipline would really come in handy sometimes. Constantly remind people that the Trump Tariffs are Trump Taxes. And now, constantly remind people that Trump has folded in the face of Mexico and the Republican Senate. Make him look like the loser he is, and then repeat, repeat, repeat. over and over and over again. all week. All month if needed.

r479 I would not give the GOP senate any credit. They would have folded in the end, not him. He folded because he was getting his ass handed to him by his constituents. He fucked up again. He starts fires and "puts them out" in quotes for a reason because he really doesn't put them out. The fire is still there because now no one trusts him. He is unstable. How could any voter want someone who has consistently caused uncertainty and doesn't think anything through before doing it? If ANY president before him acted this way, they'd be headed for a 50 state electoral slaughter.

Trump iis a malignant narrsisist, a total criminal and a traitor. Bill Barr is simply evil and calculating, he will do horrible things to our country, why does no one stop him?

The nightly news should always refer to Trump as a criminal, because he is. Fox News should be sued as a propaganda machine that bills it's self as a news organization. They have propaganda, no news. Why is it allowed in America? It should be labeled as propaganda, not news.

NYT: Mexico Agreed to Take Border Actions Months Before Trump Announced Tariff Deal

I am happy to see this week that MSNBC and CNN have repeatedly shown what scum and liars Fox are. They have shown that Trump-Ingraham clip numerous times now and called her out for saying the report that Trump held up the D Day ceremony for an interview with her as "fake news" as it's true. They also showed how absurd Hannity was for feigning a meltdown over Pelosi saying behind closed doors that she wants Trump in jail by showing the Trump rallies in which the "Lock her up" chants were going

I think the next move by Fox/Trump/GOP is to try and investigate Pelosi somehow as a way to discredit her. Don't be surprised if you start reading and hearing hit pieces on her. Fox has already started in with their "SF is a dump and Pelosi does nothing for her district " narratives

It does seem like there is a concerted effort (finally) to confront FOOOOX and their blatant lies and propaganda. Their lies are fraying the fabric of this country and it is going to have terrible consequences if we do not start calling them out in a big way.

On a lighter note, the Trump administration (State Department specifically) has banned foreign embassies from flying the pride flag during June to celebrate pride month as they have done in past years. Some are defying orders and flying the flags near but not on the flag pole.

L.A. Times: Trump claims victory in tariff and immigration deal. But what did he win?

I do not vote because of my paycheck but one thing I know...my paycheck never gets larger because of Republicans. Republicans always work to make my paycheck smaller and they literally fight to make rich people richer. I am notch rich person, so I atomaticly know how to vote. Of course dummies are still very confused about the situation. Working dummies often listen to liars like Rush or Fox News, thus their confusion.

AP: Hillary Clinton: Mueller report shows obstruction occurred

Washington Post: For Democrats, Trump impeachment question is a personal struggle transcending politics

Trump current RCP average 44.3 on an upward trend. Obama RCP average for third year was 46.5

🤣 R448

• Jerry: “Umm, you listed “Crook” twice here, Dougie.”

• Doug: “Well...yeah.”

r491, that's the part that scares me the most. How can so many Americans support this disaster? I've been out of the country a lot since he was in office. I talked to one couple from Canada who liked trump. Everyone else I've met from Australia, New Zealand and various European counties are totally freaked out about him.

We are on the verge of losing our democracy. If he gets re-elected we are toast.

I tell everyone I care about to make sure their passport is current.

so we're getting the John Dean testimony this week. Is his role to mostly be symbolic and a reminder of the past (Nixon)? and there's going to be a comparison made between Nixon and Trump? Or what's the point? We need witnesses from this Trump mess to testify hopefully soon

r448, I think the Democrats should agree with this list of words providing they are able to strike every word and phrase that was used against Hillary during the 7 BENGHAZI hearings.

[quote]I'm thinking the winning ticket is Warren and Harris, or Harris and Warren.

Really? I think Trump would win in a WALTZ over those two! How is the fresh-faced Millennial left so assured that Trump won't make mincemeat of this New England school marm (and two-time Reagan and George H.W. Bush voter!) and Kamala Harris who has yet to de-shrill her awful speaking voice and who CANNOT answer a question without giving a term paper length, meandering rant? It's as if she hasn't thought about the top 100 questions she'll be asked on the trail and prepared SIMPLE TO DIGEST answers for them!!

Neither Warren, nor Harris will top the ticket, but both stand a great chance for Veep.

Why isn't Jay Inslee, who is a very compelling candidate focused on the Climate Change + Economy doing better? Is it just irrational hate toward every straight white candidate not named Bernie Sanders? I wish all these protesting white women had shown all this fervor for electing Hillary Clinton who DID top the ticket instead of voting for Trump instead!

[quote]I watched Weld on Lawrence O'Donnell's show last night and it struck me. He said opening an impeachment hearing and voting for it could take between a year and 18 months...

This may actually be news to you, but the LAST people you should be listening to for Democratic Party strategy are Republicans, especially Republicans running for President! They aren't a good judge of ANYTHING because if they were we wouldn't have President Trump, now would we?

I favor Jay Inslee. I agree he is compelling, at least to me, who has lived under his governorship, and knew of him when he was a Congressman. I feel America has lost its collective mind or are animals chasing corporate media's laser pointer red dots. A candidate highly desired by 2% of the population won't get much traction, his signal is drowned out by the noise of the novelty.

The Democratic Party can do a lot better than identity politics; I'm certain a larger population of the American electorate begs for sanity, a platform that meets their needs, competence and national pride.

r499 It has nothing to do with identity politics- our top leaders in the polls are white males!

The media is determining who gets coverage and who doesn't. They are telling us who matters and who doesn't.

None of the other candidates will gain traction because the media is determining who is important and who isn't.

Morons don't know that Trump is nothing more than a grifter and a traitor. Barr knows what kind of sleaze bag Trump is but Barr is a fascist and he likes creeps like Trump.

Here’s my response to a question on Quara about Trump . I mention it, because I just heard a comedian on a news show repeat the theme without attribution.

[Italic] I would not volunteer an answer unasked, but you did ask. President Trump serves as an example of all of the seven deadly sins. That’s an outstanding achievement because most people aren’t masters of all seven.

Pride, as in his inability to acknowledge ever being wrong. Recently he blamed his staff and claimed that he “overruled his staff”, which was an obvious lie. Catholics in particular should be appalled at his hubris. (I am unfamiliar with other religions but I assume that most are similarly appalled.)

Greed, his reason for living.

Lust, which should require no explanation.

Gluttony, with his obsession with junk food and being the first or second fattest President, ever.

Sloth, in being too lazy to listen to his daily briefings. (That is his job, after all.) He also rides a golf cart when other world leaders walk. And he flew to Europe but was too lazy to go to the cemetery to honor the WWI dead, the entire point of his trip (other than meeting with Putin, which he did.)

Envy, as exemplified by his ridiculous declaration that his inauguration crowd was bigger than Obama’s; and his determination to destroy Obama’s accomplishments and legacy.

And wrath, as he is famous for screaming at his staff and the media.

The seven deadly sins are symbolic about the character of a man or woman. This man is a serial liar, and I hate liars. They can’t ever be trusted and everyone who interacts with Trump knows that by now. Trump has no character. He is an abomination. [/Italic]

Good one R502.

And, JFC you lazy writers who lift material from hard-working ordinary people.

Speaking of hard working people

Bern Bros work hard.

AP: Case opened: Democrats begin public airing of Mueller report

When will these two stop this almost nightly behavior?

Barr's law firm has significant Russian clients. Vector and Alfa Bank among them. Barr will probably be handsomely paid for his efforts, and so will his family. The way it probably works is that his Russian clients pay the law firm for their services, then they rehire him at some inflated salary to show up once a month at some partners' meeting. He is philosophically compatible with Trump because he, along with at least two of the Supreme Court Justices, believe in the Unitary Executive, which is a pretentious way of intellectualizing an authoritarian dictator, and greatly expanding the powers of the Executive branch, usually at the expense of the Legislative branch. It's unconstitutional on its face.

Michael Wolff writes in his new book that Barr took the job because he saw a large payday in its aftermath.

On the podcast Skullduggery, Michael Isikoff and Daniel Klaidman come for Wolff on this claim. Klaidman says it doesn’t make sense that Barr, a corporate lawyer worth 10s of millions, would make this decision. Wolff replies that only a journalist could make the claim that a money hungry corporate lawyer isn’t interested in more millions.

r509 Greed has no bounds. Those who have billions want trillions. It is power. Everyone wants more. Those journalists are dumb asf.

R509, it may be that Barr was pressured by his firm to go back into the political arena, and he must have extracted some huge payback for it. Maybe not for himself, but for his kids. And honestly, he is tasked with saving the Presidency and protecting the "Republican" Party. So IMO as a lawyer, I'm sure he & his law firm would assess a dollar amount to what that would be worth. Think about it it this context: Putin gained a country with a very minimal investment and no bloodshed, when he got Trump.

Forgive this stupid question, but has the UNREDACTED Mueller Report been read by Congress?

Will it ever be made public?

What is actually in there?!

Clearly, Barr did not read the unredacted version or the redacted version for that matter.

Nancy has access to the unredacted report because of her top security clearance. But she claims she "doesn't want to read it" because she feels all members of Congress ought to see the report. Now if you believe that, I have a bridge I'd like to sell you. IMO, she would be derelict in her duties as Speaker if she had not read the unredacted report. After all, the Speaker of the House is Constitutionally mandated in line of succession after the Vice President. ( I bet the possibility of Nancy becoming President is a great incentive to a lot of the Republican members of Congress. )

r512 Barr read what he wanted to read. It could have said- "Arrest this Russian agent now. He is a threat to our nation. He is a criminal. Danger Danger" and he would have said the report was a danger to the nation. Anymore questions? No. Ok. Biiiiiiiieeeeee.

Have some sympathy for Hannity, r507. Can you imagine what it must be like going through life looking like a big toe?

R516 Brilliant!

Another tactic I see quite often with the trolls - They post a video from Fox News or link to New York Post or some other right wing source, and they profess to be shocked and angered by what is being said on Fox News! When in reality they are just spreading more propaganda and trying to get you to watch and divide people further. Blocked.

[quote]Think about it it this context: Putin gained a country with a very minimal investment and no bloodshed, when he got Trump.

Sometimes it's useful to step back and try to take in the decline, the descent. Just imagine reading the above sentence say, five years ago. It would sound like the ravings of sad tramp. Now it can be typed as though taken as read. What an infernal systemic mess.

I don't venture much into a lot of threads on DL. When I have, it is shocking (why I should be use to it) to see the amount of troll posts. The Beto/Pete thread was wall to wall trolls. There is an element of the population, and it seems more so in the gay community, of contrarianism. But that doesn't explain some of the very specific troll language and tactics I see here. Do they come here to hone their skills?

We are getting here some very obvious Russian specific troll language and division tactics.

They are still at it and pressure needs to be put on the GOP from all the conservatives who understand the threat and do not support him. Unbelievable, sustained pressure by them would move the needle on this. They need to go for the jugular. They need to go after the entire party and specific GOP lawmakers (lawbreakers) with ferocity. There are so many influential conservatives who oppose him openly and many who do privately who could mount an incredible campaign against them. I don't understand why they haven't.

Part of me thinks they don't do this because doing so would possibly bring down the entire GOP. They want the Dems to do it but that is just seen as partisan politics to many. If they go for a brutal campaign against the GOP, leave him out of it, against the GOP, that is the only way I see change happening more quickly.

[quote]Nancy has access to the unredacted report because of her top security clearance.

Liar. There is no access for anyone in Congress to the fully unredacted report. The leadership has been offered the opportunity to go to the Justice Deparment, read a slightly less redacted version, take no notes, have no staff there. This is just another Justice Deparment stalling tactic. It will be part of their very own obstruction charges.

r522 Thank you for calling this person out. I was just too 'didn't give a fuck' earlier because it was so obvious a lie.

Trolling is amping up. Something must be coming. And be vigilant! Their goal is obviously to divide and disrupt.

That includes the inevitable troll that enters at the start of these threads to bitch that they're still going, falsely accuses OP of whatever behavior, and is himself, a troll who has posted homophobic and racist comments.

r524 How does that troll even think that will work after 207 attempts? LOL

Often I think they have gone silent only to venture into other threads and it is bonkers with all types of trolls.

They aren't clever nor are they using tactics that don't scream, "I'm a troll!" but yet they keep going at it. They love having convos with themselves to try to make us think some of us have had our minds changed over something they've said but the original thing they said was so obviously trollish it never works because no one would fall for such trollish arguments.

Barr is very bad news. Congress must pursue him with subpoenas, charges/court filings, no confidence votes, and Impeachment efforts.

Barr has been rendered czar authority by Trump over all Intel. This is dangerous. It is unwarranted vindictiveness. There can't be confidence this information won't fall into foreign hands. Lives of intelligence agents and co-ops could be subject to risk.

Mitch McConnell is preventing new resources being devoted to protecting U.S. elections. It appears McConnell and company want the external interference, including help for McConnell to be re-elected.

R525 what is even more pathetic about that troll is that it's not even getting rubles for its effort.

I can add that there are trolls posting all over DataLounge in threads related to foreign and domestic affairs. Take for instance the Huawei thread, where many posters take anti-liberal democracy, pro-China/Russia positions while typing in nonnative English.

Oh, the volunteer trolls are the absolute bottom of the barrel of all trolls. They do this in their free time.

At least the one’s who get paid have an excuse. Even they look down on the volunteer trolls.

[quote]Often I think they have gone silent only to venture into other threads and it is bonkers with all types of trolls.

I've told Boris & friends to go to the Kellyanne's Pussy threads for their safe space to post, provided they stay away from other threads. All they do is FF it. They really are miserable characters.

I think the tranny-killer is def a volunteer troll. You can tell when it’s personal.

I think the poster might be behind the rash of tranny killings lately.

Call it a hunch.

The Hill (I know, but it's too good):

Trump claims 'a National Holiday would be immediately declared' if Obama made the deals he has

NYT: People Are Trying to Figure Out William Barr. He’s Busy Amassing Power.

It also makes me laugh when the troll(s) try desperately to FF this thread. It's funny how they screech that there's nothing to see and yet they are very bothered by this thread.

I also think it's obvious that the troll mentioned at R524 is probably furiously hitting FF on the OP from various devices.

The trolls think they will knock us off our game but all they do is provide us opportunities to get out more information on the criminal shit going on. Plus, they give us a heads up about their strategy and that big news is about to break.

All these Russian trolls are good for is to open their mouths and go down balls deep on us. Actually, Russians don't even do sex right.

Just an interjection here. A president can only pardon PEOPLE. Not corporations. I want every Democratic candidate to say they will go after Trump's business after he is out of office.

R536, the Supreme Court declared that corporations are people. I wouldn't put anything past Trump.

r537 Interesting. Is there any way we could find a way that would be so egregious to the country the SC would have to overturn their own CUnited ruling?

Conservatives have done so much damage to this country and to this world. They always blather on about being for a strong military (who the fuck isn't?), the Constitution (again, who the fuck isn't?), small govt (what does that even mean? unbreathable air? Undrinkable water? Old folks living with their families instead of on their own thanks to SS and Medicare?), lower taxes( until what point? we can't pay for roads? They're zero?) and other platitudes. Conservatives, way more than liberals, love platitudes. It gets them wet. When someone explains why they are conservatives, you always get the same stock answers that really mean nothing.

Hannity, Barr, McConnell - they’re all running interference to prevent us from maintaining our democracy.

These three must go first.

Dig up the dirt, follow the money trails, reveal the skeletons in order to completely rob them of any credibility.

Jail them for their misdeeds sooner than later.

When they’re gone, release the kraken on ol’ miss Lindsay.

Corporations have been "people" since the 19th Century, R538. That's a lot of jurisprudence to undo.

Yeah, R539, I've never heard a good reason for why someone is conservative or why conservatism is a thing in a world that is about nothing but progress, from the first humans to now. What are they trying to conserve? Unworkable traditions? The 1950s? How, exactly, does a society of conservatives define progress or even make any progress? Makes no sense and is the reason why the conservative side has never, ever won anything longterm in the entire history of the world. Human society always progresses. Conservatives always lose.

r541 They try to conflate being fiscally conservative with being fiscally responsible. Even liberals let them get away with it. Fiscal liberalism can be fiscally responsible (you pay for what you spend ) or not. Same with fiscal conservatism. However, only one side (the fiscally liberal) seem to be consistently fiscally responsible.

Why do so many pundits call Dem weak and similar language when the ire of the entire part of the country that is angry over a criminal getting away with crimes should be directed at the GOP. THIS is why we can gain any traction. All the talking heads and Never Trumpers need to go hard at the GOP for being weak and enablers. We wouldn't be in this mess if it wasn't for them. Blame the GOP. Blame the GOP. Blame the GOP. Weak, corrupt, enablers, compromised. CALL IT OUT!

[quote]Barr's law firm has significant Russian clients. Vector and Alfa Bank among them.

Remember this?

"Examining records for the Trump domain, Max’s group discovered D.N.S. lookups from a pair of servers owned by Alfa Bank, one of the largest banks in Russia. Alfa Bank’s computers were looking up the address of the Trump server nearly every day. There were dozens of lookups on some days and far fewer on others, but the total number was notable: between May and September, Alfa Bank looked up the Trump Organization’s domain more than two thousand times. “We were watching this happen in real time—it was like watching an airplane fly by,” Max said. “And we thought, Why the hell is a Russian bank communicating with a server that belongs to the Trump Organization, and at such a rate?” Only one other entity seemed to be reaching out to the Trump Organization’s domain with any frequency: Spectrum Health, of Grand Rapids, Michigan. Spectrum Health is closely linked to the DeVos family; Richard DeVos, Jr., is the chairman of the board, and one of its hospitals is named after his mother. His wife, Betsy DeVos, was appointed Secretary of Education by Donald Trump. Her brother, Erik Prince, is a Trump associate who has attracted the scrutiny of Robert Mueller, the special counsel investigating Trump’s ties to Russia. Mueller has been looking into Prince’s meeting, following the election, with a Russian official in the Seychelles, at which he reportedly discussed setting up a back channel between Trump and the Russian President, Vladimir Putin. (Prince maintains that the meeting was “incidental.”)"

Chris Krispy Kreme can fuck off straight to hell.

[quote]When they’re gone, release the kraken on ol’ miss Lindsay.

She's having her heyday of feeling spry. But she's doing her act in dangerous circles. When she's no longer useful, she'll painfully crash. McCain stood by her to his end. Noboby else will fill that void come crunch time..

What is Chris Christie getting for all this? The Kushners kept him from getting a top cabinet post and the VP nomination prior. One would think he would be fed-up with Tump and his clan.

Is Christie hoping to run again in 2024 for Pres? He's accumulated heavy baggage and I don't mean just fat.

Of course CC will try to run. He is a shameless grifter as well. His style is a lot like Pres Bone Spurs. A lot of gruff, loud, obnoxious that people mistake for being a fighter and tough.

Chris Christie is a fame whore. Just like Rudy Giuliani. Politicians are worse than actors.

Yeah, it is amazing to see so many midwesterners and southerners that find the brashness of DJT, Rudy, and Christie, as intriguing and admirable. All three come from the NYC/Jersey metro area. Of course, not all politicians from that area act the way they do.

I thought the post above said Chris Christie was a fat whore.

Same diifference.

Why do morons like George Stephanopoulos and ABC invest SO MUCH in rehabilitating a CRIMINAL like Chris Christie who was run outta town in Jersey! He's a fucking fat, stinking rat! Let him beg for leniency, don't treat him like some statesman!

Christie totally dissed Buttiegieg this morning, saying “there was no there there” with him, how he’d hit a serious bump like Beto did and would freeze when the green light goes on at the debate. Either the fat pig isn’t paying attention or he’s genuinely scared of Buttiegieg.

yeah. terrified. that's it.

r557 Exactly. They give these scum GOP sycophants legitimacy. CC and Lewondowski and the like. WHY?

And I am sick of the droning on about how the Dems need to learn to talk to middle America instead of the coasts. That seriously is a right wing talking point adopted by the mainstream media. Dems have been winning WI, IA, MN, MI, PA, IL for a loooooong time. They lost by 70,000 spread out over 3 of them and suddenly the Dems have lost the Mid-West. It's over!

Yet, the guy who is president is the most typical, stereotypical brash, loud mouthed coastal elite if there ever was one. He wouldn't piss on a rural farmer is he was on fire. The tape I think they hold over his isn't pee tapes. It is tapes of them making fun of southerners, midwesterners, farmers.......he loathes anyone who doesn't make well into the millions. He feels SUPERIOR to his deplorables. He hates them.

Bryan Cranston dedicated his #TonyAwards win to journalists around the world: "The media isn't the enemy of the people. Demagoguery is the enemy of the people."

Two of the witnesses at Monday's House Judiciary Committee hearing on obstruction (besides former White House counsel John Dean): Former federal prosecutors Barbara McQuade and Joyce Vance.

I still love Ted Lieu.

Mother Maxine does not make enough appearances on these threads.

But they're like probably brown so like it totally doesn't matter, right?

From Tea Pain:

7 steps of Trumpism

1) Trump manufactures phony crisis 2) Fox reports it as news 3) Trump makes insane threats 4) Trump fails to carry out the threats, claims victory 5) Fox proclaims historical win for America 6) Trump complains media gives him no credit. 7) Rinse, repeat

Maxine should not give the GOP any credit for standing up to him. They would have caved like he caved to the out cry from farmers knowing Mexico told him to eat a dick.

$28 whole dollars! Will that even buy meth?

But they'll still vote for him again.

Deplorables are just as stupid as the trolls here.

I often wonder how many times help Hicks had sex with Trump

At least it's been quiet today. I have a feeling troll traffic will pick up bright and early tomorrow.

R573 I don't think she has sex with him.

I think she has sex with Ivanka while Dotard watches.

Hope and Ivanak scissoring isn't that shocking.

But who is Jared fucking?

Jared probably sits on Vanka's dildos.

I do feel like Jared enjoys a ball gag.

Trump is a lunatic and any one in power just lets him be, spoils him and we have to let them just set on their thumps. McGahn and Barr should have both been indicted for contempt. They are both sitting in luxury at their homes...no worries

Democrats are so inept, I wish I had another party I could be a part of.

r581 That last line is complete and utter troll talk. They've barely been in power and you expect them to magically make things better over night? Yes, 5 months is NOTHING in DC time.

I get a kick out of farmers and other who have been decimated by this con man say, "Yeah, he really is a shitty president and my family is now homeless but I still support him." There is NO reaching that. None. We have millions of other voters we can reach. If they want to be used and abused, let them.

Lunatic?

CNN’s Jim Acosta Discusses Trump’s State of Mind, Says He’s ‘Crazy Like a Fox’

R582 it's morning in Moscow. Time for the shift to start.

Good point.

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r585 They're coming on water of fire and brimstone.

Thanks OP!

Now come AM in EST we'll have our resident, "why are these threads still going," troll.

Which is of course the troll who likes to accuse OP of things, who is also the same troll who is a racist and homophobe.

If farmers and rural America want to get help, start actually put your vote up for grabs. The GOP has decimated you and continue to shit in your mouths yet you ask for more. LISTEN to Dems. If you at least offer up your fucking vote, the GOP won't take you for granted. As of now, they take you for granted and are NOT scared of you.

That troll will be within the first 10 posts of the new thread, guaranteed.

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